chilli Posted March 15, 2011 Report Share Posted March 15, 2011 went out this avo to my rabbit area(free range been free range for 1yr) and 3 adult rabbits all dead not one mark on them have lots of apple,plum,naches,grapes and fig trees that the rabbits can eat can these be poisonus dont think was a stray cat as no marks and didnt hear any scream plus the dogs would have let me no, and no the dogs didnt get them there in differant area but can see throu fence how does that Rabbit Disease affect them? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rabbit Posted March 15, 2011 Report Share Posted March 15, 2011 Nothing kill's the Rabbit (sorry) Myxomatosis or calicivirus you'll need a vet to confirm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
livingart Posted March 15, 2011 Report Share Posted March 15, 2011 Most rabbits will show no signs of external symptoms of calicivirus . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phoenix44 Posted March 15, 2011 Report Share Posted March 15, 2011 Datura is a plant that is horrendously toxic and it's consumption usually ends up in fatalities. Check your area for that plant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diver21 Posted March 15, 2011 Report Share Posted March 15, 2011 apple seeds would be the culprict Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chilli Posted March 15, 2011 Author Report Share Posted March 15, 2011 Datura is a plant that is horrendously toxic and it's consumption usually ends up in fatalities. Check your area for that plant. had a look couldnt see any anywhere(wouldnt if i had it been eaten) :dunno: still have two younger rabbits and there mother so ill lock then up for awhile ans cross my fingers there ok Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chilli Posted March 15, 2011 Author Report Share Posted March 15, 2011 apple seeds would be the culprict hmm i guess i will never no wonder how many seeds they would need to eat strange i lost 50% of rabbits on same day Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caryl Posted March 15, 2011 Report Share Posted March 15, 2011 You will know if you get a vet to check them and run tests. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spoon Posted March 15, 2011 Report Share Posted March 15, 2011 just to be sure sterilise everything that the dead rabbits may have come into contact with as calci virus is highly contagious also limit handling them as you yourself may be a carrier(dont worry you wont get sick) other animals and insects can also carry it its a nasty disease it takes about 7-14 days to kill them but you wont know until they drop dead as the signs are all internal you can also get your remaining rabbits vaccinated after that if they last 14 days then you will know they are ok a vet can autopsy them and tell quite quickly but if you dont make sure you either burn the bodies or bury them deep and far away from your other rabbits Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chilli Posted March 15, 2011 Author Report Share Posted March 15, 2011 :facepalm: not digging them up ,if the the others die then i could get a test but it wont bring the rabbits back ill wait over winter and restock next spring i love the rabbit area was nice to have a coffee and watch them hoping around and coming up for pats Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chilli Posted March 15, 2011 Author Report Share Posted March 15, 2011 just to be sure sterilise everything that the dead rabbits may have come into contact with as calci virus is highly contagious also limit handling them as you yourself may be a carrier(dont worry you wont get sick) other animals and insects can also carry it its a nasty disease it takes about 7-14 days to kill them but you wont know until they drop dead as the signs are all internal you can also get your remaining rabbits vaccinated after that if they last 14 days then you will know they are ok a vet can autopsy them and tell quite quickly but if you dont make sure you either burn the bodies or bury them deep and far away from your other rabbits yip there deep ,thought of opening one up to check the liver(i think thats what one of the web pages said) but im not sure whats normal and whats not(not killing a healthy one to find out) just told a friend and she said one of her rabbits dropped dead today so i say it is the calci virus ill phone vet tomorrow to vacs the others (if there alive) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
livingart Posted March 15, 2011 Report Share Posted March 15, 2011 how old are the youngsters if its calci the young may survive it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chilli Posted March 15, 2011 Author Report Share Posted March 15, 2011 3 -4 mths Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ira Posted March 15, 2011 Report Share Posted March 15, 2011 hmm i guess i will never no wonder how many seeds they would need to eat strange i lost 50% of rabbits on same day How heavy were the rabbits? Say 5 kg? LD50(50% chance of death) of hydrogen cyanide, the toxin in apple seeds, for rabbits is 6 mg/kg. So if they're 5kg then that's 30mg of hydrogen cyanide. 10 grams of appleseed contain about 1 mg of hydrogen cyanide. So you'd need to feed each rabbit about 300 grams of apple seeds. Apple seeds weigh about 6grams per 100, so that's 5000 seeds. Apples have, on average 10 seeds each meaning 500 apples to contain enough cyanide for a 50% chance of killing a rabbit. To dose 3 rabbits would take 1500 apples worth of seeds. Have your rabbits eaten 1500 apples recently or did you harvest the seeds from 1500 apples and feed them to your rabbits? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chilli Posted March 15, 2011 Author Report Share Posted March 15, 2011 How heavy were the rabbits? Say 5 kg? LD50(50% chance of death) of hydrogen cyanide, the toxin in apple seeds, for rabbits is 6 mg/kg. So if they're 5kg then that's 30mg of hydrogen cyanide. 10 grams of appleseed contain about 1 mg of hydrogen cyanide. So you'd need to feed each rabbit about 300 grams of apple seeds. Apple seeds weigh about 6grams per 100, so that's 5000 seeds. Apples have, on average 10 seeds each meaning 500 apples to contain enough cyanide for a 50% chance of killing a rabbit. To dose 3 rabbits would take 1500 apples worth of seeds. Have your rabbits eaten 1500 apples recently or did you harvest the seeds from 1500 apples and feed them to your rabbits? wow you did some home work id say the rabbits have had about 80 apples tops between them all,in a week thanks for finding that out the others are still alive Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ira Posted March 16, 2011 Report Share Posted March 16, 2011 BTW, that would also require the seeds to be ground up into a fine powder, if they're not ground up they have too small of a surface area exposing it to stomach acids to release any cyanide. You'll just end up with lots of appleseed in their poop. Which is exactly the point of growing fruit around seeds. It would be stupid to kill the animals you want to spread your seed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chilli Posted March 17, 2011 Author Report Share Posted March 17, 2011 well my rabbit population is back up and maybe over taken one of the mummy rabbits that died had babys down a hidden burrow and they dug out today i spent hrs digging yesterday looking for nest with no luck baby rabbits popped up some where completly differant from burrow entrance managed to catch two save one from cat and i think there is one more :happy1: that was todays good luck bad luck is partner has crushed the cartlage in his knee and can hardly move(might be at hospital tomorrow) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
livingart Posted March 17, 2011 Report Share Posted March 17, 2011 oh no how did he do that? hope it comes right Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chilli Posted March 17, 2011 Author Report Share Posted March 17, 2011 sir limps alot is still in pain Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chilli Posted March 17, 2011 Author Report Share Posted March 17, 2011 :dead%fish my rabbits are goners another died, vet confurmed its the virus also said the vacs wont save the others if they have it ill wait till babys are a little older and hopefully alive get them vac a friend that lives 5mins away has lost all her rabbits too with in two days i was going to go to the pet store today but i guess i need to stay away from all the little bunnies ill need to do abit of study and find out how the virus gets around(maybe from my duck that flys away but comes home at night) bad luck always seems to hit us hard when we get it but my saying always is"Well it could of been worse" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
livingart Posted March 17, 2011 Report Share Posted March 17, 2011 flies can spread it give it a month it will be gone babies under 2 possibly 4 weeks will survive Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suphew Posted March 19, 2011 Report Share Posted March 19, 2011 how old are the youngsters if its calci the young may survive it My understanding is pretty limited but I think the younger ones become carriers instead of being killed. If you do nothing else, when you restock just start with one new bunny, if they others are carriers at least you won't wipe out a whole new bunch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
livingart Posted March 19, 2011 Report Share Posted March 19, 2011 from here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rabbit_hae ... ic_disease Had the disease been introduced at a better time, there would have been a more effective control of the population. Unfortunately, it was released after breeding had commenced for the season, and rabbits under 2 weeks old at the time of the introduction were immune to the disease. These young rabbits were therefore able to continue to grow and breed back up. Ten years on, rabbit populations (in the Mackenzie Basin in particular) are beginning to reach near plague proportions once again though thay have not yet returned to pre RCD levels. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chilli Posted March 19, 2011 Author Report Share Posted March 19, 2011 i have left a 18mth old her 4 mth old daughter(boy died yesterday) and two tiny ones that look around 2-3 wks old from a mother that died first so hope they live i did want less over winter but not like this my garden seems so EMPTY with only two rabbits in it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chilli Posted March 24, 2011 Author Report Share Posted March 24, 2011 flies can spread it give it a month it will be gone babies under 2 possibly 4 weeks will survive :tears: babys died today thats 8 out of 9 rabbits gone must be an out break had 3 more familys tell me there rabbits have died in the last 2 weeks are yours ok livingart? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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