shiuh Posted November 3, 2004 Report Share Posted November 3, 2004 icool..is it that easy to breed these fish? i heard they breed on a daily basis? true?? i might get some...how many do i need? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan Posted November 3, 2004 Report Share Posted November 3, 2004 At least two. A male and a female. The male is slimmer than the female and brighter in color, with larger white tips on the anal and dorsal fins. They will spawn thru fine leaf plants and love java moss. Alan 104 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shiuh Posted November 3, 2004 Report Share Posted November 3, 2004 so is it true that they breed on a daily basis? seems odd.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caryl Posted November 3, 2004 Report Share Posted November 3, 2004 What this means is they scatter eggs over several days so the young appear over several days as well, rather than altogether. If you have several females they can be producing fry at different times, hence 'breed on a daily basis'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shiuh Posted November 4, 2004 Report Share Posted November 4, 2004 ok right..thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PENEJANE Posted November 8, 2005 Report Share Posted November 8, 2005 After the death of my kids goldfish I am wanting to get some of these. The only place that I have found to have some only have 3 in store. How can I tell Male from Female? and would 3 be ok in a 5.7ltr tank? I can remove the gravel and add java moss. Not intending on breeding them but if it happened it would be a bonus cheers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caryl Posted November 9, 2005 Report Share Posted November 9, 2005 5.7L isn't a tank, it isn't even a full bucket!! Females are fatter. Males are slimmer, brighter coloured and larger anal and dorsal fins. 3 should be OK but if they have fry you will have to get something more spacious. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wok Posted November 9, 2005 Report Share Posted November 9, 2005 A tank of around 20 litres will do the trick. I have a 18L tank and have wcmm breeding like rabbits. leave the gravel in it and add in lots of plants. happy breeding. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caryl Posted November 9, 2005 Report Share Posted November 9, 2005 One of our members has a small tank with a ugf. It is about 400mm x 200m x 200mm and it full of wcmm breeding happily. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alanmin4304 Posted November 9, 2005 Report Share Posted November 9, 2005 I have known Waterplantz on Trademe ( John Peters ) for many years and have bought many things off him including white clouds. He is very honest and reliable. They are called white clouds because they come from the rivers around the White Cloud mountains in China and therefore can live quite happily in very cold water. It is easier to transfer them from hot to cold than the other way around and they prefer cold to hot. I would't keep them over 25 deg C. Their colours are far more intense in cold water. They do not breed outside in Christchurch until about December. . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PENEJANE Posted November 9, 2005 Report Share Posted November 9, 2005 Well I got 4 WCMM's today. I hope I picked two males and two females but now that they are home the extra female looks like a male but I can't really tell. I have removed 3/4 of the gravel out off the bottom of the tank and only left a little bit to hold the few sticks of plants and java moss in place. Its up on our kitchen bench so don't mind the Milo Jar behind them hehe. They love swimming in the current that flows in this tank and they all stick together. Here is a pic. Enjoy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faran Posted November 10, 2005 Report Share Posted November 10, 2005 Nice pix, PJ! If that tank gets any direct sunlight, the java moss will take off like a rocket (growing, not launching ). Great little fishies, I'm sure you'll enjoy them heaps. One question though.... what kind of filter is that? WCMM fry are TINY and will easily get sucked into anything stronger than your standard Diacks sponge filter... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PENEJANE Posted November 10, 2005 Report Share Posted November 10, 2005 when I see fry in there I am hoping to scoop out as many as possible and put them into the fry tank. Would guppy fry eat them? There is plenty of plant. I am not intending to breed as such yet and once I get one of my bigger tanks they will be moving into a 15ltr tank and this hex tank will become a hospital tank I am able to restrict the flow of the filter to reduce the current produced so I will try that first and see how we go. Cheers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caryl Posted November 10, 2005 Report Share Posted November 10, 2005 Yes guppy fry could eat them. They are teeny weeny tiny tiny fish. Very hard to see when first born. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alanmin4304 Posted November 10, 2005 Report Share Posted November 10, 2005 In a few days have a look at the sides of the tank with a torch and you should see babies clinging. A couple of days later you will see them swiming near the surface and you will see how small they are. They are the rabbits of the fish world, but an active under rated fish. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PENEJANE Posted November 10, 2005 Report Share Posted November 10, 2005 When I get one of the bigger 2ft tanks for my guppies. I will then put the minnows into the 15ltr tank. I will then sell the tank that they are currently in and get them a 22ltr tank which is the same as the one that my guppy fry are in I got one there which I think is a female (huge rounded belly) but the back end of her looks swollen kinda so I don't know if she is ready to have eggs or if something is wrong. I guess time will tell Sooo excited Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PENEJANE Posted November 11, 2005 Report Share Posted November 11, 2005 Is there anyone that can post a pic of what their eggs look like? Are they easy to see. I have read sites that say they can lay up to 300 eggs If this is true are they in a clump and can they be seen? As I said in an earlier post I have got what seems to be a female and her back end looks very large. I really do hope that she is ready to lay and not sick of some sort. I have also noticed the two males are having a go at each other. Is this normal? cheers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
livebearer_breeder Posted November 11, 2005 Report Share Posted November 11, 2005 WCMM are egg scaterers, and often scater then clear very small eggs over days, not in one go. Unless you know what your looking for you will probably not see the eggs. and as the name suggests they obviously do not lay in one place. Shae Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alanmin4304 Posted November 11, 2005 Report Share Posted November 11, 2005 When breeding egg layers I used to feed them up until the females were almost bursting with eggs in the belief that it was no harder to bring up 1000 fry than 100. I have tried this with white clouds and they still spawn almost continuously over a period of days rather than drop the lot. They are very small and I used to feed infusoria for a while then microworm then brine shrimp. MaF get their nickers in a twist over them periodically but I do believe they were legally imported many years ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caryl Posted November 11, 2005 Report Share Posted November 11, 2005 They were legal imports until a few years ago. You can't import them now but you are allowed to breed them. No more imports means it is important we keep the species going or we will lose it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan Posted November 11, 2005 Report Share Posted November 11, 2005 Have you seen the latest wcmm in the shops? Even Whakatane has them, $6.00 each tho. The only way they could have hit the shops with so many at once, is either thru an import, or someone has managed to get some in, bred them up really well, then hit the market, all at once, to get premium dollars. I know of someone on this forum who has bought some from an Auck. shop, in an attempt to breed them up too. Alan 104 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alanmin4304 Posted November 11, 2005 Report Share Posted November 11, 2005 They have been around for many years and are the rabbits of the fish world. That is why we thought it such a joke when the MaF declared you could keep them but you couldn't import or breed them. I understand they were imported in the 1930s Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan Posted November 11, 2005 Report Share Posted November 11, 2005 The ones I'm refering to are a gold morf. Selling as albinoes, but they aren't, they have black eyes. They have not been around for many years. little own, many months. Alan 104 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caryl Posted November 11, 2005 Report Share Posted November 11, 2005 Maf said you couldn't import them, you can breed them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan Posted November 11, 2005 Report Share Posted November 11, 2005 I didn't say it was a legal import tho Caryl!! As soon as I saw them my eyebrows nearly fell off. Alan 104 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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