Ghaz Posted November 16, 2008 Report Share Posted November 16, 2008 Hey all, Was wondering if it is legal to sell native fish... bully's in particular. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stella Posted November 16, 2008 Report Share Posted November 16, 2008 NO. Or koura. Or freshwater mussels. Basically anything native and wild-caught. Exceptions: Galaxiids caught legally as whitebait. Eels (but you have to have a commercial eeling quota, and can only sell to someone who has a license to buy them off commercial eelers) Why?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghaz Posted November 16, 2008 Author Report Share Posted November 16, 2008 ok just wondering as im an auction surfer, and theres a couple for sale at the moment. didn't think it was legal. before u think it as well under no circumstances would i sell native fish. thanks for the info will post a reply on the auction informing the person. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghaz Posted November 16, 2008 Author Report Share Posted November 16, 2008 am i allowed to post the link to the page for any1 who wants to clarify this http://www.trademe.co.nz/Home-living/Pe ... 153986.htm MODs- remove this post if im not allowed to Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon1990 Posted November 17, 2008 Report Share Posted November 17, 2008 Yes im pretty sure selling those bullys is illegal. :evil: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romeo Posted November 17, 2008 Report Share Posted November 17, 2008 +1 Exceptions: Farmed Koura, you can buy them ;D. - IE: Vince Scully of Kaikoura. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon1990 Posted November 17, 2008 Report Share Posted November 17, 2008 +1 Exceptions: Farmed Koura, you can buy them ;D. - IE: Vince Scully of Kaikoura. Can you resell them? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romeo Posted November 17, 2008 Report Share Posted November 17, 2008 Can you resell them? That's an interesting one. Because Vince sells them LIVE to restaurants, who then SELL them to the customers. So I don't see why one wouldn't be able to on sell Koura, as long as they provide rock solid proof that the individual Koura was purchased through a farm, legally. It's not something I'd want to get involved with. I guess DOC/MAF will have a different opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
firenzenz Posted November 17, 2008 Report Share Posted November 17, 2008 I was understood Farmed Koura should have certification which should be available at time of sale. Retailers haven't seemed to worried too much about this. I would suspect restaurants would require more scrutiny You would think that the odd bully would be OK to sell. Unfortunately it will take only one selfish person to decide there is easy money to be made by emptying their local streams, so I would support the notion of collecting only for one self. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stella Posted November 17, 2008 Report Share Posted November 17, 2008 Unfortunately it will take only one selfish person to decide there is easy money to be made by emptying their local streams, so I would support the notion of collecting only for one self. I have heard a quite specific rumour of that happening before. I am fully in support of a law change one day allowing for other native species to be farmed for aquarium sale. (at the moment it is very very difficult/impossible to do) While hunting for your fish is great fun, and very educational on the state of our streams, not taking wild animals would be preferable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stella Posted November 17, 2008 Report Share Posted November 17, 2008 I emailed the trademe person simply stating: "It is illegal to sell native freshwater fish. You need to remove the listing or Trademe will remove it for you." Just got back two emails in quick succession: "not according to the conservation department its not exspecially as they are tank breed and will not survie in the wild" "who are you and what right do you have to treaten me. I am reporting you to trade me" :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon1990 Posted November 17, 2008 Report Share Posted November 17, 2008 LOLOLOL I e,ailed him too :roll: :lol: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghaz Posted November 17, 2008 Author Report Share Posted November 17, 2008 my post to him/her> hi there, not sure if you are aware but it is against the law to catch and sell NZ native fish. i would take this auction down asap if i were u. unless this is legally done..... just a friendly notification. reply>> acoording to Micheal Lake from the conservation department it is not illegal to sell these fish, I checked before listing. I should also mention these are tank breed fish and are unlikly to survie in the wild 2:27 pm, Mon 17 Nov Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aaron-Betta Posted November 17, 2008 Report Share Posted November 17, 2008 can they prove that they are tank bred though? Also even if they were, they can easily aclimitise back into the wild and possibly take disease with them, couldn't they? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Insect Direct Posted November 17, 2008 Report Share Posted November 17, 2008 pathetic if they can be sold imo that person on tm is obviously a novice as has a wanted add for leopard fish which is againt tm rules i thought, a simple note to tm should have that auction pulld, but its the natives that need protecting :evil: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghaz Posted November 17, 2008 Author Report Share Posted November 17, 2008 i have sent a general enquiry through the DOC site asking if it is legal to sell tank bred bullies, but haven't stated that it is being sold on TM. hopefully will get a reply today Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stella Posted November 17, 2008 Report Share Posted November 17, 2008 It is actually a woman. Obviously with an anger management issue.... :lol: Aaron-Betta: legally any native fish or other aquatic life may not be put back into the stream it came from without a permit. The disease introduction risk is the reason. Personally I think the disease risk is incredibly low, as the diseases that affect native fish are found in all wild systems naturally. At Mahurangi Tech they are wanting to be able to farm native fish for sale into the aquarium market, if there was a legal way of doing this, they would be doing it right now. It simply IS NOT CURRENTLY LEGAL to sell native fish in any form (previous exemptions excluded ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
firenzenz Posted November 17, 2008 Report Share Posted November 17, 2008 Mahurangi are selling Koura to LFS. They have a permit to do so. I doubt that DOC will be interested in such a case, but there are no doubts that the rules encompassing selling, transportation, and farming of native fish will require revision particulary and ironically as their numbers and future in the wild become more secure. Should this trader seem to have an endless supply then I would hope more interest from appropriate organisations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supasi Posted November 17, 2008 Report Share Posted November 17, 2008 Anger management problems alright. See the response I got! Apparantly Im making nasty comments, when advising of consequences. I bet the auction is pulled before the day is through. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghaz Posted November 17, 2008 Author Report Share Posted November 17, 2008 how can it be nasty when you use the word lovely in the sentence lol. also she has quite a few spelling mistakes, at least 8 on the page. so it may jus be a kid tryin to make a few bucks on mums account Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supasi Posted November 17, 2008 Report Share Posted November 17, 2008 Also Spell check or a dictionary wouldn't go astray, :lol: :lol: She contradicts herself in the comment.Wonder if she knows the difference between legal and illegal, LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stella Posted November 17, 2008 Report Share Posted November 17, 2008 I have just sent the links to my tame local DOC guy, hopefully he will be able to direct it to someone who can answer the question with some real authority. Supasi, you are indeed a mean and nasty individual, just out to ruin her day Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RochelleMay Posted November 17, 2008 Report Share Posted November 17, 2008 And now the auction has been withdrawn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghaz Posted November 17, 2008 Author Report Share Posted November 17, 2008 was a very short auction Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stella Posted November 17, 2008 Report Share Posted November 17, 2008 Lo and behold! The listing no longer exists I know the point of these sorts of threads is not to be annoying to people but to look after the animals, but when someone gets so obnoxious it is kinda satisfying.... The sad thing is, it would have been interesting to know how she raised them (if she did). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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