Is this whitespot?

[Andrew_W]

I treated my tank for whitespot, on Sat and Mon, Still hasn't cleared, Before doing a third dose, I'll just confirmation that this is whitespot.

It's only visible on my clown loachs.

Thanks

[Caryl]

Looks like whitespot to me and hard to get rid of on clown loaches. They are very susceptible to it.

[Andrew_W]

Thanks

I'm using "Blue Circle, White Spot Cure" Do the 3rd dose tomorrow, then a large water change, then do it all over again?

Are there perhaps better treatment, or natural treatments I can try, I read about salt tonic?

[Caryl]

Raising the tank temp to 28 or so speeds up the whitespot cycle

[Andrew_W]

cheers, its already at 27, but I'll turn it up

[Tsarmina]

also do a gravel vac after treatment

[jim r]

would a uv unit be beneficial for clown loaches in the fight against whitespot ?

[Andrew_W]

Is that between each dose? or after the 3rd?

[alanmin4304]

What is the active ingredient in blue circle white spot cure?

[Andrew_W]

doesn't say sorry

My LFS was aware the whitespot is on clown loachs, I take it your asking because the loachs are sensitive to chemicals?

[herefishiefishie]

I do a gravel vac between each treatment.

The medicines only kill white spot when not on the fish. Usual recommendation is to treat for a week, at least.

Some light reading,

http://edis.ifas.ufl.edu/BODY_FA006

Frenchy

[HummingBird]

I would advise turning your heater up to 29, this speeds up the parasite's life cycle like Caryl said so it'll be in the water column more (which is where it is susceptible to the medication.) Also try dosing with salt, ich doesn't like this either.

[Andrew_W]

Like table salt? could I get a dosage please, 60L tank thanks.

and I'll turn the temp again

The blue circle direction, say to do a complete water change, is this necessary?

[HummingBird]

For that size of tank you'd want to use 8 tablespoons of salt - dissolve it into a small bit of water before you put it in the tank too. It really doesn't matter what salt you use. Table salt will work, even if it is iodized. The iodine concentrations in table salt will not be harmful to your fish over the short term. Whatever salt you use be sure to be diligent with your water changes when the treatment is over, so your salt levels get back to normal & all traces of medication are removed (putting carbon in your filter will remove the medication too).

And no, I wouldn't say doing a complete water change is necessary, in fact it'd probably do more harm than good. Two 75% water changes on consecutive days would be much better.

Also, only stop treatment three days after the white spots on your fish go away to make sure all traces of the disease are gone.

[Andrew_W]

sorry, its says, do a complete water change between the 3rd and 4th dose. at this stage do a 75% change?

Also, I have raised the temp to 29-30, do you recommend leaving it there for 24hours, then lowering it to 26 for 48hrs then back put to 29-30 for 24hours, and keep repeating the process till gone?

LMAO the person who buys the salt, was not impressed :lol:

[herefishiefishie]

Thats a lot of salt for loaches to handle. I have never used that much for my africans

Keep an eye on them. You shouldn't have to use salt, it is over rated in the use of disease treatment. {IMO}

Leave the temp at where it is 29-30. Make sure you have plenty of airation in the tank.{water surface disturbition} Oxygen levels deplete rapidly at higher water temps.

Without knowing what is in the medicine, I can not comment on the amount of water changes, bizarre all the same to me.

Frenchy

[Andrew_W]

I didn't put on 8 tablespoons in, I think i got to 5 or 6 beofre i got yelled at :lol:

:-?

ok i'll stop my Co2 system. and take some water out so the water waterfalls out of the filter.

[markoshark]

Ah, gotta love flatmates / parents.

[GZ_Loach]

sorry, its says, do a complete water change between the 3rd and 4th dose. at this stage do a 75% change?

Also, I have raised the temp to 29-30, do you recommend leaving it there for 24hours, then lowering it to 26 for 48hrs then back put to 29-30 for 24hours, and keep repeating the process till gone?

LMAO the person who buys the salt, was not impressed :lol:

i gave up with the meds (used the same as yours) didnt do anything, tonic salt seems to have worked better but havnt gotten rid of it yet

[Andrew_W]

Yes after the salt I have seen some improvement.

[Discusguru]

I agree that 8 tablespoon of salt in a 60 ltrs is way too much for the loaches and plants too.

I only had whitespot once on my breeding ram pair and treated them with 1 dose of malachite and formalin.

ron

[herefishiefishie]

That much salt would/could kill all the bacteria too.

So keep your eyes on your water levels for the next few weeks.

Frenchy

[Andrew_W]

That much salt would/could kill all the bacteria too.

So keep your eyes on your water levels for the next few weeks.

Frenchy

water levels as in Ph etc?

[Andrew_W]

so how much salt should i use next time?...after 75% water change tomorrow.

[HummingBird]

I was basing my recommendation on my personal experience and this page: http://www.cichlid-forum.com/articles/ich.php as you'll probably note the 8 tablespoons is on the lower end of the dosage spectrum they mention there.