Kermit Posted August 2, 2005 Report Share Posted August 2, 2005 I've just had enough of these pests for the past two months i've been battling to rid the tank using Kalk in a paste form and they just keep coming back in force the more i skwirt them the more that comes back is there a good reliable way to rid these pests other then the way i'm using now at the moment i have no fish in the tank the ones that have survived the Ick breakout are still in quarantine so only corals, anemones and shrimp in the tank at the mo, so i'm open to anything that wont harm them. Layton you mentioned draino?? I'm open to use it but i want to know that it's going to be safe enough, do you know of any study cases done on it? Kermit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chimera Posted August 2, 2005 Report Share Posted August 2, 2005 dont be tight, go buy some joes juice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kermit Posted August 2, 2005 Author Report Share Posted August 2, 2005 Whats the price of JJ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kermit Posted August 2, 2005 Author Report Share Posted August 2, 2005 The other bonus is that i'm moving my tank into work this weekend so while the tanks down in transit if theres any other methods that i can take advantage of then sweet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chimera Posted August 2, 2005 Report Share Posted August 2, 2005 about $30 - $35ish. i found it works really well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pies Posted August 2, 2005 Report Share Posted August 2, 2005 Kalk works as well or better. I've battled hundrends of them, as far as I am aware I have none now. I did have an epidemic once. Kalk, easy. I tried JJ and it didn't work as effectivly as Kalk for me. Kalk to kill 100 aipstasia approx $1.00. Pie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suphew Posted August 2, 2005 Report Share Posted August 2, 2005 When I first started using Kalk I had similar problems, I found the key is to totally cover them and the hole they are in, if any of it isn't covered it will break off and grow somewhere else. When you pull the tank down is a good time to do it, but you will need to know where they all are before you start taking the rocks out, once they are out of the water or even moved they will disappear and you will miss some. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chimera Posted August 2, 2005 Report Share Posted August 2, 2005 whatever you use, you are only supposed to put a little bit in it's mouth and allow it to 'eat' it. just 'covering' it wont necessarily kill them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suphew Posted August 2, 2005 Report Share Posted August 2, 2005 I tried this but found they broke up and spread, maybe I just gave them too much. However I have had 100% success with covering the whole thing hole and all. Turning all the pumps off helps to, stops the kalk 'blowing' off them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kermit Posted August 2, 2005 Author Report Share Posted August 2, 2005 Thanks all, I find the same thing when just giving them a small amount of Kalk they just seem to break up into smaller anemones and spread further i'l try covering them and see how it goes. Robert Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghostface Posted August 3, 2005 Report Share Posted August 3, 2005 where do yo get kalk from? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kermit Posted August 3, 2005 Author Report Share Posted August 3, 2005 Kalk is just a short name for"Kalkwassar", you can purchase this from most good LFS "Local Fish Stores" its a calcium supliment. http://www.marinedepot.com/md_viewItem.asp?idproduct=SC1453 Rob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cookie extreme Posted August 3, 2005 Report Share Posted August 3, 2005 I can sell you some (1/2 kg) for around $6 if you want some. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gregb Posted August 3, 2005 Report Share Posted August 3, 2005 Just use builders lime its the same stuff & a lot cheaper, $8 for 20 Kg. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghostface Posted August 3, 2005 Report Share Posted August 3, 2005 I imagine that the builders stuff would be a lesser grade/poss. contain traces of other chemicals? does anyone have a link to instructions on safely preparing / applying this goo to apstasia? ['scuse the noob :] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetskisteve Posted August 3, 2005 Report Share Posted August 3, 2005 If yr on the North Shore PM me & I'll give you a demo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cookie extreme Posted August 3, 2005 Report Share Posted August 3, 2005 If yr on the North Shore PM me & I'll give you a demo on what your xenia :lol: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lduncan Posted August 3, 2005 Report Share Posted August 3, 2005 No need to waste time with JJ or Kalk paste. For pure pH killing power (and 100% success rate for me) you need Sodium Hydroxide. You can get a lifetime supply for around $8. The draino from the supermarket that comes as a solid form is 100% sodium hydroxide (or so it says so on the container). You mix this with a bit of water, the amount isn't really critical. Be careful to try an not get it on your hand, it can cause chemical burns (dries the skin). If you do get it on your skin you've got several minutes where you can run it under cold water for a while to dilute it, and avoid the burn occurring altogether (the point is it's not an instant burn like a fire burn, it develops slowly over 20 min or so). Then you inject this solution directly into the aiptasia. And no more aiptasia. Here is the chemistry behind what happens when the draino hits the tank: NaOH + HCO3(-) ---> Na(+) + H20 + CO3(2-) So the draino uses up a tiny bit of alkalinity to produce water, a sodium ion, and carbonate, which contributes to alkalinity. So the net effect is that you are adding water and another sodium ion, with no change in alkalinity. It's exactly the same as using Kalk, but you are using Sodium instead of calcium. Sodium is completely soluble, so you don't end up with solids which can be accidentally eaten by stupid fish, or float onto corals. The pH of sodium Hydroxide is higher than that of calcium hydroxide, so the kill success is higher. Layton Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drifty Posted August 3, 2005 Report Share Posted August 3, 2005 get a small angel, took care of all of mine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petplanet Posted August 3, 2005 Report Share Posted August 3, 2005 I used boiling water injected into them. If that did not do the trick then I would put a small rock over them. It normally makes them move onto the small rock and then you just remove the rock. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mhayhurst Posted August 4, 2005 Report Share Posted August 4, 2005 Draino is great. Turn all your pumps off and totally cover them. The theory is that they must pump water through their system to live. When they try to suck in water they get a month full of draino. Then they just melt away. Turn the pumps back on after 1 minute or so. I have never had any come back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ira Posted August 4, 2005 Report Share Posted August 4, 2005 Bonus effect is it cleans up any pipes and hoses in your system... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klaymann Posted August 4, 2005 Report Share Posted August 4, 2005 One way I've found that works is to inject PH DOWN thru a syringe into the mouth .. just watch them dissolve before your eyes ... pays to remove rock into treatment tank first as this stuff is lethal for the surrounding area in a reef tank .... drastic I know but bluddy hell does it work !! ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kermit Posted August 4, 2005 Author Report Share Posted August 4, 2005 Draino it is, thanks all. Rob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghostface Posted August 4, 2005 Report Share Posted August 4, 2005 No need to remove the rock from the tank to apply draino? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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