GrahamC Posted November 3, 2012 Report Share Posted November 3, 2012 Looks like these scientists haven't heard of Sophia's test. They've devised their own to determine whether we are living in a simulation http://arxiv.org/abs/1210.1847 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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livingart Posted November 3, 2012 Report Share Posted November 3, 2012 it is what it is Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Li@m Posted November 3, 2012 Report Share Posted November 3, 2012 :slfg: :smln: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F15hguy Posted November 3, 2012 Report Share Posted November 3, 2012 I love the conclusion... Nevertheless, assuming that the universe is finite and therefore the resources of potential simulators are finite, then a volume containing a simulation will be finite and a lattice spacing must be non-zero, and therefore in principle there always remains the possibility for the simulated to discover the simulators. would love to hear the vaticans take on this.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrahamC Posted November 3, 2012 Author Report Share Posted November 3, 2012 Did the authors take into account that the simulators are also running inside a simulation? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F15hguy Posted November 3, 2012 Report Share Posted November 3, 2012 hrmmmm.... one of the possibilities they allude to is that to find definitive proof they may have to break the simulation in some way..... thats some pretty out there calculations though... way beyond me now I have a headache. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrahamC Posted November 3, 2012 Author Report Share Posted November 3, 2012 now I have a headache. Nah, that's just a simulated headache Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F15hguy Posted November 3, 2012 Report Share Posted November 3, 2012 lol ok then.... so they are actually simulating universes at the moment with current computing technology, sure they may only be 1/2 proton sized universes but the possibilities to study potentially dangerous sub atomic particles is insane.... I wonder if in these simulations they can devise visualizations to transmit to our simulation. with current advances in computing shouldn't be to long til they make it to atomic stage, a few steps from there to solving the energy supply issue (or to make even more powerful weapons ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrahamC Posted November 3, 2012 Author Report Share Posted November 3, 2012 a few steps from there to solving the energy supply issue (or to make even more powerful weapons ) Wake me when we have free heating for our fish tanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F15hguy Posted November 3, 2012 Report Share Posted November 3, 2012 for a more simplified read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_physics its kinda scary that this idea started way back in 1936 with the Turing machine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F15hguy Posted November 3, 2012 Report Share Posted November 3, 2012 argh and now im facinated by Zeno's Paradoxes and on to the Quantum Zeno effect, where watching something on a quantum scale happening can cause it to not happen.... wow, this would be so much easier to understand if I was stoned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrahamC Posted November 3, 2012 Author Report Share Posted November 3, 2012 The idea that we are living in a simulation solves a basic problem in theology; it allows both theists and atheists to be both correct! And of course it's been fodder for science fiction for years. Hardly expected the DOE to fund such research though. If one is not familiar with the concept of the universe as a computational machine, there's "Programming the Universe" by Seth Lloyd which is not too hard a read. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F15hguy Posted November 3, 2012 Report Share Posted November 3, 2012 also appeals to the egotists in that we may actually be our own God Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrahamC Posted November 3, 2012 Author Report Share Posted November 3, 2012 also appeals to the egotists in that we may actually be our own God Or our descendants as postulated in this paper. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F15hguy Posted November 3, 2012 Report Share Posted November 3, 2012 yes, but according to that paper we are also simulating time as well, introducing the possibility that we are actually simulating ourselves Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
livingart Posted November 3, 2012 Report Share Posted November 3, 2012 simulating the simulacrum's a simulated mote in gods eye Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrahamC Posted November 3, 2012 Author Report Share Posted November 3, 2012 a simulated mote in gods eye Hmm. A Larry Niven fan, or perhaps Jerry Pournelle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
livingart Posted November 3, 2012 Report Share Posted November 3, 2012 both love well crafted novels Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anthony law Posted November 3, 2012 Report Share Posted November 3, 2012 :facepalm: :slfg: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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