nudge Posted September 24, 2012 Report Share Posted September 24, 2012 I just double dosed my malawi tank with flourish excel to kill off some bba. After an hr i noticed my azureus lying at the bottom of the tank gasping for air. All the other fish are fine so i pulled the azureus out and put him in a grow out tank. He seemed fine this morn did the same wc routine accept this time i added the flourish. Could the flourish be causing this, has anyone lost any fish double dosing with flourish before? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrahamC Posted September 24, 2012 Report Share Posted September 24, 2012 Excel is a reducing agent and can lower oxygen levels in tanks if used in excess of the recommended amounts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Godly3vil Posted September 24, 2012 Report Share Posted September 24, 2012 Yeah what Graham said, increase oxygen levels with an airstone or surface agitation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrahamC Posted September 24, 2012 Report Share Posted September 24, 2012 On my bottle, it says in bold at the bottom of the instructions "DO NOT OVERDOSE!" Seachem tech support also do not recommend the use of Flourish Excel as an algaecide ie. it's an off label use of the product. No doubt it works though! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nudge Posted September 24, 2012 Author Report Share Posted September 24, 2012 yeah it says that on my bottle to. Flourish seems to be the only thing that has a good success rate at killing bba, from the research i have done. I plugged my airstone back in after i noticed the azureus. He's still sitting on the bottom of my growout tank, breathing heavily, looks like hes just finished a marathon, i'll leave him in there till he looks better. Hope he pulls through he's a great fish Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smidey Posted September 24, 2012 Report Share Posted September 24, 2012 does your spraybar/outlet agitate the surface? that's a good way of getting plenty of oxygen into the water. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nudge Posted September 25, 2012 Author Report Share Posted September 25, 2012 i have both nozzles on the fx5 pointin up plus the airstone running so should be ok, all the other fish seem fine. The azureus is breathin normally now, but now he has dark spots on his fins and around his jaw that werent there yest, no idea what it is, i dosed the grow out tank with some salt and will leave him in there for a while. I was hoping i could put him straight back in the main tank as he is not top dog and cops a lot of grief from the taiwan and the litho and the longer i leave him out the more grief he's gonna get when i put him back in. Spots are weird, i have a dem that i got from tm in the grow out with the azureus as well as a couple of randoms. The dem had similar spots on him but its more around the bottom of his jaw but the other 2 fish don't have them. The spots have appeared on the azureus today so i am hoping its not some disease the dem was carrying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adrienne Posted September 25, 2012 Report Share Posted September 25, 2012 Depending on how much bba is in your tank a safer way to dose may be by using a syringe to inject the excel directly on the plants. Works well and it means you can stick within the recommended dosing levels. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nudge Posted September 26, 2012 Author Report Share Posted September 26, 2012 I dosed what i could see with a syringe, there is quite a lot and i prob only ended up putting 5ml in the water column. My tanks 90g and with all the sustrate and rock i dosed for 80 g which worked out as 10ml per 10g for a double dose. I dosed early mon morn and i aint seen any redness, still looks the same, thought it would be dying off by now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smidey Posted September 26, 2012 Report Share Posted September 26, 2012 i have the same stuff and i don't think it's bba Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrahamC Posted September 26, 2012 Report Share Posted September 26, 2012 My BBA didn't turn red .. just sort of disappeared. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nudge Posted September 26, 2012 Author Report Share Posted September 26, 2012 what kinda algae do you think it could be smidey? mines black and it looks like a beard, make that lots of beards, it doesn't come off when you scrub it, its like its been glued on. How long did yours take to disappear graham? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrahamC Posted September 26, 2012 Report Share Posted September 26, 2012 Just sort of disappeared over a few days - maybe a week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nudge Posted September 26, 2012 Author Report Share Posted September 26, 2012 well hopefully it will do the same i don't really want to do a second double dose within a week Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrahamC Posted September 26, 2012 Report Share Posted September 26, 2012 How long does the glut stick around for? Presumably it relates to how many plants are using the carbon ie. how heavily planted the tank is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alanmin4304 Posted September 26, 2012 Report Share Posted September 26, 2012 Flourish excel has algacidal properties but they cannot advertise as such due to their laws. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smidey Posted September 26, 2012 Report Share Posted September 26, 2012 well hopefully it will do the same i don't really want to do a second double dose within a week i wouldn't if it didn't work the first time, might end up loosing some fish. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrahamC Posted September 26, 2012 Report Share Posted September 26, 2012 Could remove the fish and water, quadruple dose or whatever the tank with new water, wait a period, remove the water and then put the fish/water back in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nudge Posted September 27, 2012 Author Report Share Posted September 27, 2012 i'm really hoping this works, don't have the tanks to remove all my stock into to treat the main tank. Most people who use flourish said the bba turned red then died off. Looks like a few tufts have disappeared. Its not turning red though. I will give it till mon which is when i am due a wc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smidey Posted September 27, 2012 Report Share Posted September 27, 2012 i'm really hoping this works, don't have the tanks to remove all my stock into to treat the main tank. Most people who use flourish said the bba turned red then died off. Looks like a few tufts have disappeared. Its not turning red though. I will give it till mon which is when i am due a wc. i have had bba and flourish got rid of it well, it turned red and died off. i've got the same stuff as you and as i said before i don't think it's bba you've got. i just use a dish scrubber to get rid of mine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nudge Posted September 28, 2012 Author Report Share Posted September 28, 2012 it looks like the stuff angus had in the bba topic i had goin in the freshwater section. It has taken over all the rockwork now smidez. Pullin all the rocks out to scrub them clean would work for a coupla days but it just comes back. I was hopin the flourish would nuke it. What do you reckon it is smidez if not bba? looks like the bba i have seen in threads on other sites Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smidey Posted September 28, 2012 Report Share Posted September 28, 2012 it looks like the stuff angus had in the bba topic i had goin in the freshwater section. It has taken over all the rockwork now smidez. Pullin all the rocks out to scrub them clean would work for a coupla days but it just comes back. I was hopin the flourish would nuke it. What do you reckon it is smidez if not bba? looks like the bba i have seen in threads on other sites i don't know what it is but i'm confident it aint bba. my rocks are covered but i'm fine with it. it doesn't seem to get any longer than about 5mm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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nudge Posted September 28, 2012 Author Report Share Posted September 28, 2012 sorry not best pic, def less of it today but still on pretty much all the rocks. I wouldn't mind if it stayed on the rocks but its growin on heaters, intakes, outlets and pretty much everything Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F15hguy Posted September 28, 2012 Report Share Posted September 28, 2012 I wonder if there is a way to cultivate it on specific areas without letting it go mental. would be an interesting experiment Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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