herperjosh Posted January 1, 2012 Report Share Posted January 1, 2012 Hello i was in organism the other day and i have been looking at nano mariness for a while and they have one for sale which i can afford. I was just wondering are nanos really suitable for people just entering into marines this one was 22 litres and came with live rock and lights and all that or are bigger tanks kind of required for beginers? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reptilez Posted January 1, 2012 Report Share Posted January 1, 2012 Hello i was in organism the other day and i have been looking at nano mariness for a while and they have one for sale which i can afford. I was just wondering are nanos really suitable for people just entering into marines this one was 22 litres and came with live rock and lights and all that or are bigger tanks kind of required for beginers? i have a 34l Aqua One Ar-380 which is a good one to use as you can use Purigen in the top filter.. how much is the setup in Organism's and what does it come with ?? :thup: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
herperjosh Posted January 1, 2012 Author Report Share Posted January 1, 2012 i have a 34l Aqua One Ar-380 which is a good one to use as you can use Purigen in the top filter.. how much is the setup in Organism's and what does it come with ?? :thup: its is 399 and it comes with purigen live rock,heater,filter,,sand i can't remember the rest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the-obstacle Posted January 2, 2012 Report Share Posted January 2, 2012 the key thing with marines is to keep everything constant which means checking levels a lot. If you're happy doing this, and correcting any anomalies, then a salt water tank is a piece of cake. First figure out where you're going to get new salt water every week for 10% or so water change. Then go for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantom Posted January 3, 2012 Report Share Posted January 3, 2012 I too liked the look of the one in Organism. I ended up doing it myself using a fluval edge tank and following advice from John at Organism and others online. My tank has been going for 4 months or so now and still going strong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcrudd Posted January 3, 2012 Report Share Posted January 3, 2012 I was also very interested in starting a small marine but was adviced by marine tank keepers that the minimum size should really be about 200 litres, as it will be more stable and temps won't raise too high in the summer. So guess I am just repeating their advice to you, have a think about it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amtiskaw Posted January 3, 2012 Report Share Posted January 3, 2012 What is the temp range for a marine tank? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zayne Posted January 3, 2012 Report Share Posted January 3, 2012 26ish Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reptilez Posted January 3, 2012 Report Share Posted January 3, 2012 What is the temp range for a marine tank? around 24-26'C Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sophia Posted January 3, 2012 Report Share Posted January 3, 2012 I was also very interested in starting a small marine but was adviced by marine tank keepers that the minimum size should really be about 200 litres, as it will be more stable and temps won't raise too high in the summer. So guess I am just repeating their advice to you, have a think about it Why is a nano marine so much more difficult than a nano freshwater/tropical? People always say small tanks are harder to control than larger ones. Also Mcrudd, you were looking at a native tank, if you went tropical the temperature rising wouldn't be as much of a problem, if at all. Tropicals are expensive but. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcrudd Posted January 3, 2012 Report Share Posted January 3, 2012 Also Mcrudd, you were looking at a native tank, if you went tropical the temperature rising wouldn't be as much of a problem, if at all. Tropicals are expensive but. It was Marine Sophia http://www.fnzas.org.nz/fishroom/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=56094 For Native I wanted to start a pond, because I really did not want to get rid of my current big tank http://www.fnzas.org.nz/fishroom/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=56281 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sophia Posted January 3, 2012 Report Share Posted January 3, 2012 I remembered wrong, thought it was native marine :facepalm: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
herperjosh Posted January 4, 2012 Author Report Share Posted January 4, 2012 well i think if reptilez can do it i can do it. The nano at organism comes with a chiler i think. I found changing 10% of a 200 litre fish tank took forever and used heaps of water and changing 10% of water on a small nano won't be hard and i like checking levels so ill give it a go Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reptilez Posted January 4, 2012 Report Share Posted January 4, 2012 well i think if reptilez can do it i can do it. The nano at organism comes with a chiler i think. I found changing 10% of a 200 litre fish tank took forever and used heaps of water and changing 10% of water on a small nano won't be hard and i like checking levels so ill give it a go wow ! if it comes with a chiller at $399 that is one damn good deal :happy1: change 5% water per week :thup: did 20 litre water change on your 200l take forever ? wow ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blueether Posted January 4, 2012 Report Share Posted January 4, 2012 at 22 lt you could justabout freeze saltwater ice cubes :digH: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
herperjosh Posted January 4, 2012 Author Report Share Posted January 4, 2012 wow ! if it comes with a chiller at $399 that is one damn good deal :happy1: change 5% water per week :thup: did 20 litre water change on your 200l take forever ? wow ! Not 20 litres I just changed what looked like 2/10 of the tank usally more Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mirio Posted January 4, 2012 Report Share Posted January 4, 2012 I honestly don't think it's as hard as people to make out to be. Heapsssss of people have tanks under 100L with happy clownfish and other hardy fish/corals. Personally I would try to benchmark 50L at minimum but that'd just be my preference Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spoon Posted January 4, 2012 Report Share Posted January 4, 2012 the tank at organism dosent come with a skimmer, they are best suited to a cool area in a house or an air conditioned room you will have limited sucess with a fan trying to keep that cool. i agree its not too hard just keeping up with water changes really but you will eventually want something bigger and the cost of running a small marine is quite deceptive also Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
herperjosh Posted January 4, 2012 Author Report Share Posted January 4, 2012 I did see a boyu 68 litre that came with a.mini skimmer for 690 or is that brand unreliable Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mirio Posted January 5, 2012 Report Share Posted January 5, 2012 http://www.ultimatereef.net/forums/showthread.php?t=327877 That's a thread about a smaller Boyu tank, the 450TL. Haven't looked into the larger sorry. As far as I know, and what I've been told by people selling them is that they're pretty average. I don't think they look bad at all. Look around on Youtube and other Reef forums, I think Boyus are fairly common Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cricketman Posted January 5, 2012 Report Share Posted January 5, 2012 The issue with Nano, is that there is less water to buffer against changes in levels (pH, Temp, KH, GH, salinity, NO2/3, NH4,etc) and with marine there are alot of other factors that you have to consider in this. Once you get over 200L and even more so after 300 or 400L, the tank becomes almost becomes self-sustaining... Also consider that with a nano, your going to be relying on water changes for export of these nutrients to prevent algae outbreak, unless you have a algae scrubber or a large refugium with macro algae. also consider whether you'll use Natural sea water (NSW) or Artificial (ASW, the likes of red-sea pro). Natural sea water is easy to get, easy to store, but you run the risk of what is in the water when you collect it (usually at high tide, when the water is at its cleanest). ASW means that you may have to buy extra nutrients to add to the tank (usually trace elements like strontium and boron) ad the associated test kits so you don't over-do it... NSW is my preference, as it is for a lot of locals in the bay, as it already has these trace elements in the right amounts. To be honest, by the time you've bought all the gear for the nano, skimmer, filters, live-rock, sump etc, there really isn't going to be much of a jump to a decent size tank that is going to give you more stability. And, if you collect NSW, it makes the cost a lot less, just need a few decent water containers. If you are dead-set on Nano, go for the biggest sump you can fit/afford to allow you the extra water. HTH :thup: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rosco Posted January 5, 2012 Report Share Posted January 5, 2012 ^^^ +1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spoon Posted January 6, 2012 Report Share Posted January 6, 2012 The issue with Nano, is that there is less water to buffer against changes in levels (pH, Temp, KH, GH, salinity, NO2/3, NH4,etc) and with marine there are alot of other factors that you have to consider in this. Once you get over 200L and even more so after 300 or 400L, the tank becomes almost becomes self-sustaining... Also consider that with a nano, your going to be relying on water changes for export of these nutrients to prevent algae outbreak, unless you have a algae scrubber or a large refugium with macro algae. also consider whether you'll use Natural sea water (NSW) or Artificial (ASW, the likes of red-sea pro). Natural sea water is easy to get, easy to store, but you run the risk of what is in the water when you collect it (usually at high tide, when the water is at its cleanest). ASW means that you may have to buy extra nutrients to add to the tank (usually trace elements like strontium and boron) ad the associated test kits so you don't over-do it... NSW is my preference, as it is for a lot of locals in the bay, as it already has these trace elements in the right amounts. To be honest, by the time you've bought all the gear for the nano, skimmer, filters, live-rock, sump etc, there really isn't going to be much of a jump to a decent size tank that is going to give you more stability. And, if you collect NSW, it makes the cost a lot less, just need a few decent water containers. If you are dead-set on Nano, go for the biggest sump you can fit/afford to allow you the extra water. HTH :thup: with a nano and regular water changes using ASW wont be a problem as your regular water changes will be topping up trace elements but very true about cost and equipment if you decide to go nao buy equipment that is overkill for the tank as you will regret buying small stuff later on Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marinefish4life Posted January 6, 2012 Report Share Posted January 6, 2012 i had major problems when i had my 22 litre nano, my salintity got up to 1.038 because it evaporated so fast and my hydrometer was stuffed, my clowns survived but my shrimp died when i first put him in Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
livingart Posted January 6, 2012 Report Share Posted January 6, 2012 nsw just needs calcium and mag top up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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