Sophia Posted November 9, 2011 Report Share Posted November 9, 2011 My breeding experiment came to a halt today when I found my last 2 female rasbora (maculatus) floating belly up. These 2 look like yesterday's casualty, their eyes are bulging and appear to have been bleeding, bodies a little fat but not too much different to what they usually look like. No pineconing or other obvious things that I know of. Do they look like any particular ailment you could put your finger on or just another slightly mysterious fish death? Other details/incriminating evidence on me: Tank was divided in 2 with 3 happy alert males on one side, females on the other in a floating 3 litre lunchbox with some plant cover. Females possibly a little subdued compared to the males who were swimming in the current, possible cause being fishy-unhappiness? Ammonia and Nitrate both 0, pH, hardness, temperature etc all normal. Presence of daphnia in the lunchbox with them. Can you overfeed on live food? They weren't dashing for the food when I was there, compared to the males who were. There were still daphnia left in there today, whereas the night before they were all gone. I bought them on Sunday only, none of the ones in the shop had their usual orange colour, I put that down to the fact that they'd only arrived that week so hadn't settled in yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
livingart Posted November 9, 2011 Report Share Posted November 9, 2011 females on the other in a floating 3 litre lunchbox with some plant cover. air stone for water movement? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adrienne Posted November 9, 2011 Report Share Posted November 9, 2011 Keeping them keen and separated like that obviously broke their hearts :tears: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BURN Posted November 9, 2011 Report Share Posted November 9, 2011 Looks like a case of Furan 2 use. Water change on the weekend with high chlorine. dosent pay to buy ill looking fish from shops just better to leave them their to dye or go back a week or 2 later to see if they are looking better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sophia Posted November 9, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 9, 2011 that's what I thought too &c:ry I will have to rethink my experiment for the next batch .... Thanks Burn, no medication used by me on these fish, maybe at the store but I don't think so Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sophia Posted November 10, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 10, 2011 one last test on the males tonight - gave them a truckload of daphnia for dinner so will see if that kills them. One of the problems of my divider used before is that holes were big enough to let a fish through, so have siliconed some mesh over the top of those so I can use it to seperate the fish without needing the box. However that brings a new problem of needing to find a way to cover the egg laying area so they can spawn and not be able to eat the eggs. I shall keep thinking :smln: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkLB Posted November 10, 2011 Report Share Posted November 10, 2011 needing to find a way to cover the egg laying area so they can spawn and not be able to eat the eggs. I shall keep thinking :smln: Can you use glass marbles in your setup? The eggs fall through the gaps and the adults can't reach them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirt Posted November 10, 2011 Report Share Posted November 10, 2011 I found marbles are a pain. When you go to remove them *squish.... Plus they are expensive Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkLB Posted November 10, 2011 Report Share Posted November 10, 2011 When I've seen them used the breeder removed the adults after spawning and let the eggs hatch amongst the marbles. They grew up in the same tank and were free swimming before the marbles were removed. This was in an otherwise bare bottom tank. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
livingart Posted November 10, 2011 Report Share Posted November 10, 2011 Can you use glass marbles in your setup? The eggs fall through the gaps and the adults can't reach them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sophia Posted November 10, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 10, 2011 i was going to have them lay their eggs in java moss. I don't know if rasbora would like an essentially bare bottomed tank, that is sort of like what the breeding box was like. I will look into it though. Maybe a thin covering of moss over the marbles so they still fall through :-? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alanmin4304 Posted November 10, 2011 Report Share Posted November 10, 2011 Another way is to use a bare tank and make a smaller tank inside with a s/s mesh bottom a few mm off the bottom of the bigger one. I have bred heaps of fish both ways. Both methods work best with eggs that are not too adhesive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sophia Posted November 10, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 10, 2011 That is what I was trying for with the lunchbox and mesh bottom but it was about 15cm off the bottom of the tank so they probably felt too exposed. do you know where to get a breeding box like that from? I haven't seen any in the shops and the only people I know who use them commercially get them from germany :facepalm: I thought perhaps I could suspend some sort of net or use the leftover mesh somehow to do a similar job. I might be able to get one of those mesh breeding boxes and just use part of it... hmmm thinking thinking.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BURN Posted November 11, 2011 Report Share Posted November 11, 2011 best breeding box for fish can be brought at the cheap shops. plastic baskets all shapes and sizes all different types of mesh size and shapes. $2-$3- each. if your fish dose not mind being in one great just add floats and a light cover or if your fish not like. Tip one up side down in the bottom and one floating on the top for when the young hatch and head for the light. really great for having on the tank floor in most tanks for young to hide also a few floating on top. pays to only feed live food with these in as to rotting fermenting of food under them. Throw away them fancy drop boxs you pay $9-$12- for. Hahahahaha what a RIP OFF and your fish in them will fast deterioration and DIE. More then likely. Think of the little fishes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BURN Posted November 11, 2011 Report Share Posted November 11, 2011 I can get banned for saying RIP OFF yes. Risky Dude. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
livingart Posted November 11, 2011 Report Share Posted November 11, 2011 RIP OFF interesting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alanmin4304 Posted November 11, 2011 Report Share Posted November 11, 2011 Watch it old fella or you might get banned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sophia Posted November 11, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 11, 2011 best breeding box for fish can be brought at the cheap shops. plastic baskets all shapes and sizes all different types of mesh size and shapes. $2-$3- each. . this is essentially what I had created with the lunchbox but the females died never mind, am re-engineering as we speak Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BURN Posted November 11, 2011 Report Share Posted November 11, 2011 this is essentially what I had created with the lunchbox but the females died never mind, am re-engineering as we speak 1 upside down on the bottom and 1 floating. The fish SWIM FREE. works great for all breeds as the young can hide inside till they get bigger. 400mm X 310mm x 100Depth works great in a 300 X 600 - 610 tank might have to saw off the long side lip on plastic basket for the upside down basket on the bottom. when the young are eating processed food they will keep all clean under the baskets. also great for making walls with also. silicon and stone them up moss them up etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rabbit Posted November 11, 2011 Report Share Posted November 11, 2011 RIP OFF. More like tight 4r$e :roll: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BURN Posted November 11, 2011 Report Share Posted November 11, 2011 More like tight 4r$e :roll: Are you a seller of these RIP OFF fish death box's. RABBIT :sml1: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BURN Posted November 11, 2011 Report Share Posted November 11, 2011 $9.90 What a RIP OFF. Only $2-$3 dollars for the ones I mention in this thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirt Posted November 11, 2011 Report Share Posted November 11, 2011 Meh it's not that bad. Get over it. High quality vs low quality, built for breeding vs not built for breeding. If you've got nothing nice to say don't say anything Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sophia Posted November 12, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 12, 2011 thread title now seems to describe the thread :-? :digH: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cricketman Posted November 12, 2011 Report Share Posted November 12, 2011 thread title now seems to describe the thread :-? :digH: self fulfilling prophecy... What a RIP OFF. Only $2-$3 dollars for the ones I mention in this thread. :facepalm: :roll: Good to see the status quo hasn't changed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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