henward Posted June 19, 2011 Report Share Posted June 19, 2011 yeah there is nothing special about feeding bullfrog, but the high content of calciumperhaps? if you fed lots of food it will bulk it up as well. my opinion. protein content is key from what i have seen. nice fish though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ally07 Posted June 19, 2011 Author Report Share Posted June 19, 2011 I have always heard that bullfrogs are really good for protein and bulk fish up really well, but never really saw proof like this before lol.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henward Posted June 19, 2011 Report Share Posted June 19, 2011 yeah i cant help to go back to science. why is bullfrog better than prawn or pelletS? i dont know that much about bullfrogs but they are jsut meat and bones... protein. i reckon the cool thing bout frogs is taht you can gut load them awesomely! last tiem i tried, rtg did not like teh taste of our green frogs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David R Posted June 20, 2011 Report Share Posted June 20, 2011 At every LFS I visited in Singapore I saw bags of little bullfrogs (presumably for feeders, unless keeping bullfrog community tanks with 20+ is really popular? :lol: ). Could be high in protein, could also be high in fat? At the size of the aro in the pics they do tend to be growing pretty quickly, the increase in bulk could be attributed to many factors, not just food. Kids often have growth spurts and its not because of a change in diet. Thats not to say bullfrogs aren't good for encouraging growth either. I'd be reluctant to feed them as a staple food though, unless they were gut-loaded with something more nutritionally balanced. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ally07 Posted June 20, 2011 Author Report Share Posted June 20, 2011 yeah i cant help to go back to science. why is bullfrog better than prawn or pelletS? i dont know that much about bullfrogs but they are jsut meat and bones... protein. i reckon the cool thing bout frogs is taht you can gut load them awesomely! last tiem i tried, rtg did not like teh taste of our green frogs. Personally, I wouldn't feed only frogs as a staple because I believe in the nutritional benefits of pellets, but if we had proper bullfrogs in NZ which fish enjoy, I would replace mealworms with bullfrogs. I've read somewhere before that bullfrogs are really high in protein, so one big bullfrog would probably be the equivalent of feeding 15-20 mealworms for the same amount of protein. At every LFS I visited in Singapore I saw bags of little bullfrogs (presumably for feeders, unless keeping bullfrog community tanks with 20+ is really popular? :lol: ). Could be high in protein, could also be high in fat? At the size of the aro in the pics they do tend to be growing pretty quickly, the increase in bulk could be attributed to many factors, not just food. Kids often have growth spurts and its not because of a change in diet. Thats not to say bullfrogs aren't good for encouraging growth either. I'd be reluctant to feed them as a staple food though, unless they were gut-loaded with something more nutritionally balanced. I don't think asian fish keepers even bother gut loading. I'm so confused lol! There are people who post pictures of awesome muscly aros and they claim that the diet consists of one of the following: superworms or prawns or bullfrogs. In other words, by sticking with one of the aforementioned as a staple, they have successfully raised great looking fish! But I can't justify feeding just one type of food every day - and I definitely won't stop the pellets. So theoretically, my fish on a balanced diet SHOULD exceed theirs in size (well, that's the hope anyway!) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henward Posted June 20, 2011 Report Share Posted June 20, 2011 balanced diet is ALWAYS gonna win the day. pellet manufacturers claim their pellets is the only thing you need. but i believe in a variety, but pellets i thin bulk up fish majorly. the amount of protein and nutrients is underniable. as for bullfrogs, yeah no one seems to properly gutload. if it was me, i would feed gut loaded crickets to the frog, gut loaded mealworms, and when the frog is absolutely fat and full, then feed that, you basically triple the goodness. or even drip vits into its mouth and put pellets into the frog by putting it on a vibrating dish. anyways, the picture sof big big aros i see have a variety of diets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ally07 Posted June 20, 2011 Author Report Share Posted June 20, 2011 LoL, comparing what we do in NZ for our fish, it makes the asian fish keepers seem so lazy! They literally just feed superworms and bullfrogs straight without bothering about protein content or vitamins. Just reading the discussions we have about PELLETS and the science behind it all, it surprises me that we're more on the ball than the asian fish keepers haha. (Though, Henward, you and I are technically NZ-Asian XBs LOL!) :lol: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henward Posted June 20, 2011 Report Share Posted June 20, 2011 :slfg: i wouldnt say they are not on the ball i believe its due to cost. i put alot of effort in to caring for my red, mostly because its a $5k plus fish, if it wasnt, i dont believe i would fuss over it as much. a green here is $500. in asia, that green would be worth less than 100 maybe even 50! a silver in philippines where i am from is less than $5 nzd, its a childs arowana started, here we pay 90 to 150! quarantine of course is factored in, they have no quarantine in asia! its the cost thats why we fuss over them. we value them more so than the rest of the world that gets them so easily. perception really, im sure the asian and uk and canadian keepers of aros are just as loving to their fish as we are lol but they dont make such a big fuss as its relatively common Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ally07 Posted June 20, 2011 Author Report Share Posted June 20, 2011 Hmmm.. Didn't see it that way! Sad how people treat animals according to the monetary value. Would be nice to have more live food available in NZ though - gut stuffed bullfrogs sounds so much better than gut stuffed mealworms haha. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henward Posted June 20, 2011 Report Share Posted June 20, 2011 my silver used to eat the green frogs we got here, so i fed him regularly, he wasnt harmed by it, the green frogs we get here have a natural anti cancer and anti septic slime coating. thats probably what doesnt taste good for the aro, but starve an aro for a few days, guaranteed it will eat it. im happy with locust, love seeing them eat locust! i reckon if anything we need superworms, mroe meat to skin ratio! but mealworms, second best thing to superworms lol, aros love them and you can gut load them. i also found mealworms dont turn into beetles as quickly if you have constant food. when you sto feedng them, they turn to beetles faster. the aro also eats beetles:D so its not a waste anyways. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ally07 Posted June 20, 2011 Author Report Share Posted June 20, 2011 Without superworms, I guess we just gotta feed more mealworms to make up for it haha. Too bad we also don't have house geckos here lol! I remember them being such a pest in asia, would have been nice to have a free supply of fish food on the walls.. :lol: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snookie Posted June 21, 2011 Report Share Posted June 21, 2011 What is the natural diet of Asian Arowana ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henward Posted June 21, 2011 Report Share Posted June 21, 2011 anything that falls in the water, fish, crustaceans. they have a pretty varied diet. al9ot of insects Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snookie Posted June 21, 2011 Report Share Posted June 21, 2011 anything that falls in the water, fish, crustaceans. they have a pretty varied diet. al9ot of insects are the insects etc.. gut loaded in the wild :dunno: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henward Posted June 21, 2011 Report Share Posted June 21, 2011 actually they would be. in sects will usually feed on plants or meat depending if its a herbivore or carnivore. for example, crickets will feed on anything they can find on the floor, from meat to vegetation. vegetaion contain vitamins, anti oxidants, minerals etc. grass for example - contains a high level of vitamin c, calcium, chlorophyl in itself has many trace and minerals. locusts protein is just protein, its really what it absorbs into its bloodstream and flesh and what it eats that boosts its goodness by feeding it to fish. same as in the wild, fish will eat other fish and vegetation and insencts, the arowana eats the fish, the smaller prey is gutloaded already. insects contain in its guts what the arowana would NEVER get in the water. birds and mice too. if it falls into the water due to injury or accidentally or baby birds. they are fed nutritious food by their parents. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ally07 Posted June 21, 2011 Author Report Share Posted June 21, 2011 are the insects etc.. gut loaded in the wild :dunno: Even if the insects in the wild are good on their own, gut loading them at home just doubles the goodness. To me, pellets aren't just about the protein content but they're also important for the vitamins which the fish would otherwise not get as much of. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ally07 Posted June 21, 2011 Author Report Share Posted June 21, 2011 http://www.youtube.com/user/longvangchauc?blend=24&ob=5#p/u/26/EsXlGm8fm1s Jump ahead to 1:27 - this is why arowanas are the king of freshwater fish! (IMO, lol) Edit: Another cool video to see: http://www.youtube.com/user/longvangchauc?blend=24&ob=5#p/u/21/G6p5wa-zgOA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henward Posted June 22, 2011 Report Share Posted June 22, 2011 http://www.arofanatics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=466743&page=2 check ou the red in the first post of this link! wow true colours under white light, with a tanning or pink light, that is almost solid red! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ally07 Posted June 22, 2011 Author Report Share Posted June 22, 2011 For ease of viewing: Looks like a green-base? Solid body and even colouration throughout - very nice. Like the deep orange-red! :nfs: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henward Posted June 22, 2011 Report Share Posted June 22, 2011 id be happy if mine turn out like that!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ally07 Posted June 23, 2011 Author Report Share Posted June 23, 2011 id be happy if mine turn out like that!! Really?? I have higher expectations for yours to be honest! Actually, I don't even know what grade yours is lol, but I just assumed that with a VIP-tag on it, it should turn out to be somewhere in the blood-red ballpark. Do you know what the parents look like? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henward Posted June 23, 2011 Report Share Posted June 23, 2011 yeah, got sent them awhile back. the parents are blood red i believe mine will get darker especiallyw ith tanning. but must keep in mind, in at ank, most of the 'blood red reds' you see out there are tanned outside in a pond and bought in for viewing and photography purposes. most have red lights. but yes, i would be happy if mine get that orange as its realistic. genetics really and tanning just tops it off. we will see i guess:D this are the reds they harvest from at imperial arowana blood red, but i am always sceptical of people posting VERY red aro pics, as most are in pink or red lighting. white light lol im obsessed under white light pics as they show true nature of the colours. but yeah, we will see:D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henward Posted June 23, 2011 Report Share Posted June 23, 2011 this picture http://www.imperialarowana.com/gallery.php?gid=127-3fe8ad317d looks more like under whtie light, that is realistic p[erhaps its a vip from imperial, i would be happy wit that :happy1: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R32GOTMLK Posted June 23, 2011 Report Share Posted June 23, 2011 does anyone own a siver with no drop eye? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David R Posted June 23, 2011 Report Share Posted June 23, 2011 Yep, there's one about a metre long in the duck pond at Singapore gardens!! Has the be the nicest looking big silver I've ever seen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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