Stephanie Posted January 24, 2011 Report Share Posted January 24, 2011 Might take more then one generation That's a pretty snide comment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joshlikesfish Posted January 24, 2011 Report Share Posted January 24, 2011 That's a pretty snide comment. If its snide, none of it was intended to you. More towards the lack of quality in NZ, with most species, compared to overseas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allister_B Posted January 24, 2011 Report Share Posted January 24, 2011 no a double double headed one josh... yes a double double ray haha. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joshlikesfish Posted January 24, 2011 Report Share Posted January 24, 2011 no a double double headed one josh... That would be a bit of a throw from the traditional one head fish Steph, SamH once linked me an article on selective breeding to form better rays in a fighter. I'll try and find it for you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allister_B Posted January 24, 2011 Report Share Posted January 24, 2011 she doesnt need it, she knows what shes doing. :lol: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joshlikesfish Posted January 24, 2011 Report Share Posted January 24, 2011 Cool Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephanie Posted January 24, 2011 Report Share Posted January 24, 2011 Obviously i'm not going to stop now i've got fry that look somewhat like what I want. Hence the confusion and previous comment. I have something in mind and don't expect to achieve anything much anytime soon. Obviously you have to start with the best available fish to be able to create anything reasonably spectacular. Hence I haven't gone and bought average or just because fish. Everything has a feature that appeals. And having invested all that time, effort and money in them obviously it makes sense to breed them and get what I want out of them, not have a whole bunch of fish that I can sell for $30 each on auction sites. I'd rather keep my numbers down, and several generations down the track have something close to what I have in my head, or at the very least fish with improved fins and colour. Thanks Josh, I think I may have seen the article you are referring to. I've spent way to much time trawling the internet researching everything I can. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joshlikesfish Posted January 24, 2011 Report Share Posted January 24, 2011 Quality vs Quantity, right? I still believe you can get the type of fish you want in the end without culling off everything thats not up to high standards. You just don't use them to breed. Also, you may end up with some wicked throws Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blueether Posted January 25, 2011 Report Share Posted January 25, 2011 Quality vs Quantity, right? I still believe you can get the type of fish you want in the end without culling off everything thats not up to high standards. You just don't use them to breed. Also, you may end up with some wicked throws That would still be considered culling in a breeding sense ie you are taking them out of the gene-pool Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joshlikesfish Posted January 25, 2011 Report Share Posted January 25, 2011 That would still be considered culling in a breeding sense ie you are taking them out of the gene-pool It could. I usually consider culling as killing. And when Steph says she wants to keep her numbers down by culling, i'd rather just let them grow up and see what they get. Each to their own. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caryl Posted January 25, 2011 Report Share Posted January 25, 2011 The reason for culling, rather than letting them all grow up, is usually a matter of space required. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamH Posted January 25, 2011 Report Share Posted January 25, 2011 My fish are amazing, they self cull :lol: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aquila Posted January 25, 2011 Report Share Posted January 25, 2011 +1 Culling doesn't just mean killing...it refers to selectively removing individuals from the population (aka gene pool) regardless of the reason you are doing it. You may be breeding for a specific trait, need more room, fish is too old, or sick etc. But it doesn't always mean that the fish is substandard or there is even anything wrong with it. You can do this by selling less desirable fish, giving them away, killing them, feeding them to bigger fish, etc. That would still be considered culling in a breeding sense ie you are taking them out of the gene-pool Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joshlikesfish Posted January 25, 2011 Report Share Posted January 25, 2011 +1 Culling doesn't just mean killing...it refers to selectively removing individuals from the population (aka gene pool) regardless of the reason you are doing it] I understand what culling is. I just don't think everything should be killed for the culling. Like my "bung" fighter for example. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aquila Posted January 25, 2011 Report Share Posted January 25, 2011 Sorry, I wasn't meaning to direct that at you. I was just stating it in general because some people seemed to still be stuck on killing. Nice of you to give your bung fighter a home regardless of his shortcomings;P I understand what culling is. I just don't think everything should be killed for the culling. Like my "bung" fighter for example. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joshlikesfish Posted January 25, 2011 Report Share Posted January 25, 2011 Sorry, I wasn't meaning to direct that at you. I was just stating it in general because some people seemed to still be stuck on killing. Nice of you to give your bung fighter a home regardless of his shortcomings;P Fair enough Anybody know any methods other then the vodka and clove oil one? I'll be breeding double tail fighters soon and really don't want to use the bag method I normally did. Last time I did it the bag popped and ended up everywhere :sick: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aquila Posted January 25, 2011 Report Share Posted January 25, 2011 You can try pithing, which involves shoving a needle/probe through the brain. But in my view, clove oil or enthanol is the best. Fair enough Anybody know any methods other then the vodka and clove oil one? I'll be breeding double tail fighters soon and really don't want to use the bag method I normally did. Last time I did it the bag popped and ended up everywhere :sick: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BikBok Posted January 25, 2011 Report Share Posted January 25, 2011 Anybody know any methods other then the vodka and clove oil one? I'll be breeding double tail fighters soon and really don't want to use the bag method I normally did. Last time I did it the bag popped and ended up everywhere :sick: clove oil method is quick and easy and from what I understand is the most humane on the fish (They go to sleep first). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joshlikesfish Posted January 25, 2011 Report Share Posted January 25, 2011 I really don't want to have to use vodka. Unless I wait and do a big batch of fish to cull. Can it be done without vodka? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamH Posted January 25, 2011 Report Share Posted January 25, 2011 Can it be done without vodka? Yup! It's said to be less painful without vodka actually. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joshlikesfish Posted January 25, 2011 Report Share Posted January 25, 2011 Yup! It's said to be less painful without vodka actually. I only found the vodka and clove oil one. Please explain? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ira Posted January 25, 2011 Report Share Posted January 25, 2011 I just put them in the freezer. They just slow down and then stop...Then don't start again. Doesn't work with goldfish, they might survive until they start freezing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joshlikesfish Posted January 25, 2011 Report Share Posted January 25, 2011 Maybe I could find a local MFK? David? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myfishybuisness Posted January 25, 2011 Report Share Posted January 25, 2011 well soon i should have some severns so if they are small enough i could take them if you want Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jarrodrussell Posted January 25, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 25, 2011 i could take some to instead of killing them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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