what are the trade names for liquid prazi?

[BikBok]

I know adtape is one of them .. are there any others?

I emailed MYVET to ask if he was able to source any liquid prazi but all he knows of is adtape drench which is $400 for 5L . He said if I knew of any other trade names he could look into getting smaller quantities.

I've had some guppies die off with no obvious signs except one was really skinny and seemed to have open gills.. the others had no visible signs of distress. I've looked really hard for worms hanging out their butt but didn't see any calamanus.

I had a little prazi a while ago that was given to me and I used to treat all my new livebearers with it while they were in quarantine. But I've since ran out and now my guppys seem ailed. All the other fish seem ok however.

So I want to get a hold of some prazi to 1. treat the tank (unless you can offer me a better solution to my guppy problem)

and 2. to treat new fish before I add them to community.

[ryanjury]

Adtape is the liquid prazi, you can also get droncit (not drontal) tablets which you can dissolve and crush up they are 50mg of pure prazi per tablet.

[BikBok]

thanks ryanjury

I was just at HFF in the weekend too! It's not on their website but I'll email them.

[fish_fingers]

Might pay to check with your local vets, pet/fish stores are NOT licensed to sell this product, though clearly several do at their own choice.

[ryanjury]

I am pretty sure because you can buy prazi (in the form of droncit or adtape) over the counter without a prescription it might not be very controlled..

[fish_fingers]

I am pretty sure because you can buy prazi (in the form of droncit or adtape) over the counter without a prescription it might not be very controlled so maybe HFF was allowed to sell it? Of course I am not fully aware of the legalities of reselling it..

My info is about 3 years old from when I worked in a vet clinic, but things could possibly have changed.

[Jennifer]

Things have changed in the last year or so and a new policy is in place regarding restricted medications.

A VOI [Veterinary Operating Instruction] is a set of instructions from an authorising veterinarian (AV) to a non-veterinarian to hold RVMs [restricted veterinary medicines] in anticipation of their use, and to use RVMs only in accordance with the AV’s instructions in circumstances in which the AV will not be carrying out a case-specific consultation. All matters requiring consideration by the AV have been addressed in the instructions.

Basically, a trained person who is not a veterinarian, and who has a good relationship with an authorising veterinarian, can act under the veterinarian's guidelines to legally hold and dispense medications.

[fish_fingers]

Things have changed in the last year or so and a new policy is in place regarding restricted medications.

Basically, a trained person who is not a veterinarian, and who has a good relationship with an authorising veterinarian, can act under the veterinarian's guidelines to legally hold and dispense medications.

Interesting but does this extend to pet/fish stores or only inter-clinic "relations"? Also, trained in what field/discipline? Thanks for that.

[Jennifer]

Yes, a VOI can most definitely extend past the clinic. There are several examples of VOI with laypersons including a deer farmer who sedates his stags for de-velvetting. A veterinarian can train anybody they choose, including clients and lay people. The principle is that the trained person acts within the veterinarian's orders and the veterinarian trusts the person enough to issue them the medication in anticipation of them being needed. With over-the-counter remedies like dewormers, the risks of misuse are potentially much lower than would be with controlled drugs.

A VOI could be quite useful for a very experienced fishkeeper since they can have a lot of experience dealing with routine fish diseases and fish vets are few and far between in this country. However, don't go thinking you can just walk up to a vet and demand a VOI - most veterinarians would never even consider issuing a VOI to someone they didn't know well, much less a layperson.

[BikBok]

well that will explain why my local pet store is now offering frontline flea .. prefer revolution though.

[livingart]

we have the same when treating injured native animals

you could almost say this is the same as the vet sending you home with a course of antibiotics for your pet

[fish_fingers]

well that will explain why my local pet store is now offering frontline flea .. prefer revolution though.

No this is slightly different, of which can't be mentioned here.

[suphew]

well that will explain why my local pet store is now offering frontline flea .. prefer revolution though.

Frontline isn't controlled or any better than a lot of other flea products, it's just a marketing exercise.

[fish_fingers]

Frontline isn't controlled or any better than a lot of other flea products, it's just a marketing exercise.

Actually, Frontline was a vet only flea treatment until a few years ago when a certain pet store chain decided to stock it, with mixed responses from the vet community. The Australian Pet Barn chain has been selling it for sometime in their pet stores.

[phoenix44]

It was advantage that was vet only.

[Jennifer]

FRONTLINE Plus is only available from your vet.

here

Unless things have changed recently, Frontline & Frontline Plus; Advantage, Advantage Multi & Advocate and Revolution are all flea products that are supposed to be sold exclusively through a veterinarian. Sometimes a pet store has an 'affiliation' with a veterinarian (i.e. might have a vet that works there to treat the animals or may have a veterinary practice operating out of the store front). That would give them the ability to sell 'vet only' remedies like the above flea products as well as 'vet only' dewormers like Endoguard and Drontal. Regardless, these products are typically held behind the counter or a similar area where specialist advice can be offered prior to sale.

[fish_fingers]

here

Unless things have changed recently, Frontline & Frontline Plus; Advantage, Advantage Multi & Advocate and Revolution are all flea products that are supposed to be sold exclusively through a veterinarian. Sometimes a pet store has an 'affiliation' with a veterinarian (i.e. might have a vet that works there to treat the animals or may have a veterinary practice operating out of the store front). That would give them the ability to sell 'vet only' remedies like the above flea products as well as 'vet only' dewormers like Endoguard and Drontal. Regardless, these products are typically held behind the counter or a similar area where specialist advice can be offered prior to sale.

Animates have been selling Frontline for quite a few years from their stores in Auckland, under the "control" of their neighbouring vet clinic, which technically falls under the mentioned conditions.

[BikBok]

animates is not the store I'm thinking of.. it's a privately owned family run store.

[fish_fingers]

It was advantage that was vet only.

They were ALL vet only, until Frontline moved into the pet stores.

[Sunbird73]

With the gradual introduction of the ACVM act, I think there are a few grey areas. I found this tho:

When registering a trade name product, NZFSA imposes conditions on its importation, manufacture, sale and use that must be complied with. Two of these conditions, Condition 69 and Condition 70, pertain to the sale of restricted veterinary medicines (RVMs):

Condition 69

The product must be sold only by either:

a. a registered veterinarian holding a current practising certificate issued under the Veterinarians Act 2005 in the course of his or her own veterinary practice, or

b. a person specified to sell the product or similar products in and acting in accordance with a relevant operating plan approved under section 28.

Condition 70

For the purposes of this condition, 'veterinary authorisation' means that a registered veterinarian with a current practising certificate issued under the Veterinarians Act 2005 has issued a valid authorisation for its purchase and use.

Any advertisement of this product must contain a statement that the product is available for purchase and use only under and in compliance with a veterinary authorisation.

Approved operating plans

NZFSA requires documented evidence, in the form of an operating plan, that sellers of RVMs are meeting the requirements of these conditions.

Veterinarians who sell RVMs outside the course of their own veterinary practices, pharmacists and any other entity wishing to sell RVMs must have an NZFSA-approved operating plan.

Veterinarians who supply RVMs only in regard to authorisations issued by themselves or other veterinarians in the same veterinary practice are not required to have an NZFSA-approved operating plan.