filters for kids rooms?

[Sunbird73]

Am thinking of increasing the size of the tank in my 7yo bedroom (so I can keep the fish *I* want LOL) so I am thinking about different types of filters that are less likely to leak and cause issues. Am thinking of going from around 54L to around 90-100L. (not yet got the DH approval tho .... shhh)

She has an internal eheim pickup 2010 at the moment, no issues (but I must admit I find it annoying to clean out every week).

Are the hang on the back (aquaclear?) ones just not suited to have in a kids room? Worried about leakage if she tries to fiddle with it I guess.

I have a canister on the bigger tank in the lounge, which when I last cleaned it found that one of the attachments at the actual cannister had loosened itself (ie. I suspect some 4yo fingers tho) - I touched it after I took it to the sink and it just came off So now am a little wary I guess.

Anyone else have tanks in kids rooms with external filters? What do you use? Stick with internal (tho I think the 2010 is only rated to 100L so might not be enough)? Or do the cupboard up with locks and get a canister?

[Rabbit]

Am thinking of increasing the size of the tank in my 7yo bedroom (so I can keep the fish *I* want LOL) so I am thinking about different types of filters that are less likely to leak and cause issues. Am thinking of going from around 54L to around 90-100L. (not yet got the DH approval tho .... shhh)

She has a eheim classic 2010 at the moment, no issues (but I must admit I find it annoying to clean out every week).

Are the hang on the back (aquaclear?) ones just not suited to have in a kids room? Worried about leakage if she tries to fiddle with it I guess.

I have a canister on the bigger tank in the lounge, which when I last cleaned it found that one of the attachments at the actual cannister had loosened itself (ie. I suspect some 4yo fingers tho) - I touched it after I took it to the sink and it just came off So now am a little wary I guess.

Anyone else have tanks in kids rooms with external filters? What do you use? Am thinking an external would be nice but might have to rig the cupboard with some locks maybe?

Aquis cf500 - Cheap, reliable, quiet

[ryanjury]

I would just go with internal ones unless you can easily stash a HOB behind the tank, HOBs are great filters but would be very easy for her to mess around with. I have 2 tanks inside and my kids are pretty good at destroying stuff they are yet to cause any leaks but we do watch it carefully and I can hear the cupboards on my tank opening if they do open them.

Why are you cleaning the filter every week? Is it clogged or is it just something you do? I only clean my filters every month - 6 months depending on when they start clogging up.

[dreams]

I think the eheim classics would be quite kid safe. The 2213 I find quite hard to disassemble!

The flow knobs are hard to turn, as well as the twist caps for the pipes and its so hard to get a

grip on the head of the cannister when taking it off.

Even if they did manage to loosen everything and unclipped the cannister heads, the water shouldn't

leak out due the the really tight seals on them

[Sunbird73]

Why are you cleaning the filter every week? Is it clogged or is it just something you do? I only clean my filters every month - 6 months depending on when they start clogging up.

I just read that these needed cleaning weekly?

Alrighty will stop doing that then and see how it goes doing it monthly.... sounds like a much easier idea

[Caryl]

You only need to clean a filter when the water flow becomes greatly reduced. This can vary a lot depending on species of fish and stocking levels.

[Sunbird73]

just edited my first post - she has a 2010 pickup not a classic :oops:

[Rabbit]

You only need to clean a filter when the water flow becomes greatly reduced. This can vary a lot depending on species of fish and stocking levels.

Who on earth told you that??? A filter requires constant maintenance, the fact it removes detritus from view doesn't mean its not rotting out of sight! Bacteria suffers from a clogged filter more so than lack of oxygen, there is a reason that Nitrobacter doesn't form before ammonia is reduced, and high ammonia will kill the other stages of bacteria until Nitrosomonas can reduce it (hence the cycle).

[Caryl]

Experience. My own filter on the 280L is lucky if it gets cleaned out once a year. The tank has been running for about 15 years now with no problems (apart from a whitespot outbreak caused by a temperature fluctuation). Smaller filters get cleaned out more often as they clog faster.

[Joe]

For something 90-100L, I think you should get either an Eheim Classic 2213 or an Aqua One CF1000. If you want something really quiet, I would go for the Aqua One filter. It makes no noise whatsoever, but my Eheim Classic 2213 produces a slight humming noise, that I sometimes find quite annoying at night.

[SamH]

Who on earth told you that??? A filter requires constant maintenance, the fact it removes detritus from view doesn't mean its not rotting out of sight! Bacteria suffers from a clogged filter more so than lack of oxygen, there is a reason that Nitrobacter doesn't form before ammonia is reduced, and high ammonia will kill the other stages of bacteria until Nitrosomonas can reduce it (hence the cycle).

Rabbit, just because you read it on the net and it's what you do, doesn't make it correct. Caryl has been a member for 9 years now, likely keeping fish before then even. Experience and personal preference are far more important than what you believe to be right. Like her, I also rarely clean my filters and have little/no issues. If you want to do it your way, fine, I couldn't care less. But do not shoot down Caryl for recommending a method that works not only for her, but likely several others out there. You do realise you don't HAVE to make every post negative and/or critical, right?

[Joshlikesfish]

You only need to clean a filter when the water flow becomes greatly reduced. This can vary a lot depending on species of fish and stocking levels.

+1

Some things in life are just theory Rabbit

[Rabbit]

Rabbit, just because you read it on the net and it's what you do, doesn't make it correct. Caryl has been a member for 9 years now, likely keeping fish before then even. Experience and personal preference are far more important than what you believe to be right. Like her, I also rarely clean my filters and have little/no issues. If you want to do it your way, fine, I couldn't care less. But do not shoot down Caryl for recommending a method that works not only for her, but likely several others out there. You do realise you don't HAVE to make every post negative and/or critical, right?

Having been in the industry for as long as i have and "knowing" how things are effected by this makes me correct, the internet can be contradicted on even the known facts due to someone such as yourself with these posts. If you had done any research you would see this to be true. A recent article of PFK States the effects a single power out can have on a dirty filter as apposed to a clean one. Not to mention any porous media will eventuate in being clogged and having to be replaced due to its un-efficiency and any chance that media had of converting Nitrate is gone.

You see my post as negative due to its abrupt wording? or are you getting your back up because iv made your practice incorrect? The fact you have had no issues does not make it correct?

A water change is sufficient in your eyes? What does it remove? Please feel free to explain to myself how your practice works and the fluctuations in your parameters.

If you cant do this please maintain your posts to fact, not as yourself put it "Experience and personal preference are far more important than what you believe to be right." although this sentence makes very little sense.

I wasn't attacking Caryl and with her reply im pretty sure she understood that, simply making sure the facts are simply that.

[Joshlikesfish]

You see my post as negative due to its abrupt wording? or are you getting your back up because iv made your practice incorrect? The fact you have had no issues does not make it correct?

Just because its "the facts" doesn't mean its Gospel. You think regular filter maintenance. Others from experience think they don't.

Each to their own. Your opinion isn't law.

[SamH]

You see my post as negative due to its abrupt wording? or are you getting your back up because iv made your practice incorrect? The fact you have had no issues does not make it correct?

I find all of your recent posts as negative, due to them being negative. Perhaps the abrupt wording makes them seem more negative, but they appear (in my eyes) as negative. Perhaps I stand alone on that matter though? Yes, my back is up over your disagreement. A disagreement as blunt as that is rude and close minded. I do not doubt that your method works, but is there only one way to do it? No, different people suit different methods and styles. Maybe open your eyes to that perhaps?

I wasn't attacking Caryl and with her reply im pretty sure she understood that, simply making sure the facts are simply that.

Your distressed question "Who on earth told you that???" made it appear as though you are completely dismissing her method as rubbish. Again, maybe it's just how I read it :-?

[Rabbit]

Each to their own. Your opinion isn't law.

Never said it was law, simply fact. mwa xoxo

[Joshlikesfish]

Your distressed question "Who on earth told you that???" made it appear as though you are completely dismissing her method as rubbish. Again, maybe it's just how I read it :-?

I don't think you are alone on that one :roll:

[Joshlikesfish]

Never said it was law, simply fact. mwa xoxo

Wow. I've had more mature arguments with children.

[Rabbit]

Wow. I've had more mature arguments with children.

You mean kids your own age?

[Joshlikesfish]

Sunbird, from my experience I have found that HOB filters were hard to sleep with unless the water level was high to stop the noise of the waterfall created.

I would say the 2213 would be good. The clips on that would be very hard for a 7 yo to get into (in my opinion). Just make sure you buy a first hand one, otherwise a second hand one(like mine) mine be too noisy to sleep with

[Joshlikesfish]

I have found it easier to argue with 16 year olds. The arguments end without them saying things like "mwa xoxo". To be honest, I haven't even seen a child react like that.

[SamH]

I have found it easier to argue with 16 year olds. The arguments end without them saying things like "mwa xoxo". To be honest, I haven't even seen a child react like that.

Agreed. And anyone who calls 16 year olds children, really has no idea or nothing better to say. Grow up Rabbit.

[Rabbit]

Agreed. And anyone who calls 16 year olds children, really has no idea or nothing better to say. Grow up Rabbit.

My daughter (16) i would happily consider a child, and Mr Edeson sarcasm is something you seem very talented at you should learn to get what you give.

[Caryl]

For goodness sakes settle down and stop making it personal. We all have our own opinions based on varying experience. Differing opinions do not necessarily mean one is right and another wrong.

Rabbit has his opinion and I have mine. We are probably both correct up to a point and our opinions overlap in a wide middle ground.

He (or she) merely asked who told me that and I answered :-?

Just because I have probably been keeping fish for more years than he(she) has been alive does not make me more likely to be right or mean he(she) doesn't know what they are talking about.

Now, back to the topic please :roll:

[SamH]

My daughter (16) i would happily consider a child, and Mr Edeson sarcasm is something you seem very talented at you should learn to get what you give.

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As for the filter, anything your child cannot get to should be fine. I have issues with the HOB in my room when the water level drops but so long as it's no more than 10mm below the lip of the filter, it's pretty quiet