BigBossPants Posted August 15, 2010 Report Share Posted August 15, 2010 How exciting my bully eggs have hatched and I now have a swarm of 2mm fry in the breeding tank! They are so cute zipping around in their fish-cloud. I still have not decided how or whether to transfer them to salt, I think I will do half in fresh and half in salt and see what happens. Now to try and do a water change without sucking up the little guys! Daddy bully has been named Randy, as he is preparing for his 3rd batch of eggs lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
livingart Posted August 15, 2010 Report Share Posted August 15, 2010 do your change slowly at 2mm they maybe too small for rotifers but will eat the motile phyto if you need a pure culture come see me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
preacher Posted August 16, 2010 Report Share Posted August 16, 2010 Way cool, I suppose they are too small to photo (HINT HINT) P. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stella Posted August 16, 2010 Report Share Posted August 16, 2010 Awesome! Congratulations! Did you read that paper on raising inanga fry in captivity? That went into salinity stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigBossPants Posted August 16, 2010 Author Report Share Posted August 16, 2010 Haha yeah a bit small yet, all I can really see are their eyes glowing. I will try and get pics but not sure if I can upload, using my mobile for the net atm. They are about 24 hours old now, I can still see their yolk sac if I look closely. Did a small water change using airline with an air stone as a strainer lol. Took a while but no sucked up babies! Yes I read the paper, maybe I skimmed past the part about salinity Ill have to read again. Did a bit of research on the lake tarawera population, apparently the upper tarawera river bullies are non diadromous, but the lower river ones are... I wonder if this applies to the ones in the lake also? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stella Posted August 16, 2010 Report Share Posted August 16, 2010 Yeah, interesting paper that! It is likely that lakes with outlets to the sea comprise of both types. As I recall the lakes in that paper were not particularly far from the sea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigBossPants Posted August 17, 2010 Author Report Share Posted August 17, 2010 Day 2 and still alive lol. Feeding them on liquifry and green water. Question: if I manage to raise them, is it legal to sell them seeing as they are captive bred? Not to get ahead of myself or anything lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stella Posted August 17, 2010 Report Share Posted August 17, 2010 I keep getting confused with the laws. I think illegal to sell and definitely illegal to release anywhere. Give them away or create a pond like Preacher Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
livingart Posted August 17, 2010 Report Share Posted August 17, 2010 Day 2 and still alive lol. Feeding them on liquifry and green water. Question: if I manage to raise them, is it legal to sell them seeing as they are captive bred? Not to get ahead of myself or anything lol what volume of water do you have them in? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigBossPants Posted August 17, 2010 Author Report Share Posted August 17, 2010 I wonder how pet stores are allowed to sell them? Confusing. I have the fry in a 10-12l tank with a mature sponge filter, doing daily partial water changes. Feeding 3x daily. I have those little tanks that I borrowed from you mark, going to spread them over the 3 tanks as they grow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phoenix44 Posted August 17, 2010 Report Share Posted August 17, 2010 Mahurangi tech breeds them, went through a PILE of legal stuff and the offspring of the bred fish are sold. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigBossPants Posted August 17, 2010 Author Report Share Posted August 17, 2010 Aah I see thanks for that phoenix. Just checked the adult tank and Randy has another nest with eggs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stella Posted August 18, 2010 Report Share Posted August 18, 2010 Mahurangi tech breeds them, went through a PILE of legal stuff and the offspring of the bred fish are sold. I remain dubious. The requirements of spawning adults, larvae and fry of diadromous species, especially galaxiids, are pretty specialised. I know they were doing hormone-injection stuff with eels, but the larvae kept dying at 14 days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phoenix44 Posted August 18, 2010 Report Share Posted August 18, 2010 Didn't they sign up to this site a while ago and answer that question especially for you? It was when HFF first announced that they were selling natives. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigBossPants Posted August 22, 2010 Author Report Share Posted August 22, 2010 Damn, lost them got another lot about to hatch so will try again, this time I will do larger water changes with water from the parents tank and start increasing the salt sooner... Fingers crossed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
livingart Posted August 22, 2010 Report Share Posted August 22, 2010 split fry, do 2 tanks 1 with no salt just parents tank water 1 with salt added Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diver21 Posted August 22, 2010 Report Share Posted August 22, 2010 is it a good idea using water from the parents tank as its not completly clean Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
livingart Posted August 22, 2010 Report Share Posted August 22, 2010 good point diver21, eggs were developed and hatched in it so conditions may have been right possibility of greeblies in it good control would be to run 3 tanks then, 1 with new water Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigBossPants Posted August 22, 2010 Author Report Share Posted August 22, 2010 Cheers for the suggestions tested the water today and it showed low levels of nitrite and a pH of 8. Im thinking there may have been an ammonia spike a few days ago and the high pH made it more toxic. The next batch have been laid on driftwood so that should address that. Bigger water changes combined with using parents water should hopefully keep any wastes at bay. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stella Posted August 23, 2010 Report Share Posted August 23, 2010 You said you were using a mature sponge filter. How was it matured? Possibly there was more bacteria in the sponge filter than was being fed by the tank processes. They could have died and added to the spike. You said you were feeding liquifry and green water. It is unlikely that they would be herbivorous. Not sure what is in the liquifry. In the wild they are zooplanktivorous. What did they feed them in the inanga paper? I imagine rotifers and similar. This may sound like a really stupid question but has to be asked... I assume you are using proper marine salt for making up water for marine tanks, not any other sort of salt or 'aquarium salt'? Can you try rainwater? Just thinking through the possibilities. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigBossPants Posted August 23, 2010 Author Report Share Posted August 23, 2010 The sponge was in the filter for my axie tank, had been for many months. That idea seems likely. The liquifry contains 'derivatives of vegetable origin, eggs and egg derivatives, yeasts and preserved with EC additives.' says it will also stimulate infusoria. Cant afford salt mix so am using sea water collected at high tide from a clean beach away from boats. It sits in a sealed bucket with an airstone to circulate. Will look at getting rotifers, will they be small enough for them to eat when they are freshly hatched? I also have microworms but didnt have a chance to feed them. I had waited a week to put any salt in, thought they would cope better with alivuld size on them, might start the salt on day 3 or 4 this time. In your opinion would an increase of 0.002 daily be ok? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
livingart Posted August 23, 2010 Report Share Posted August 23, 2010 the bully fry are smaller than inanga fry so may have problems feeding on artemia like inanga do the green water is a motile phyto plankton tetraselmis , adult rotifers maybe too big as well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigBossPants Posted August 31, 2010 Author Report Share Posted August 31, 2010 The new batch have been going for just over a week and seem ok the parents dont seem that happy about the frequent small water changes though. The fry all hang out in a back corner, most of them clinging to the glass. They appear to be growing. How big do they need to be before they can handle rotifers? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
livingart Posted August 31, 2010 Report Share Posted August 31, 2010 you could start adding rotifers now, you should be able to observe the fry making small darting movements to catch them small amount directly into fry group the colour of their stomachs will change as to what they eat tetra = green gut, rotifers a browner shade Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigBossPants Posted September 4, 2010 Author Report Share Posted September 4, 2010 "These are MY eggs!" The eggs are the lighter coloured area behind him. Sorry if the pics dont come out too well, testing out uploading pics using my phone... Woke up this morning to find a female sitting in the plant with a bunch of eggs. Several more were scattered around the tank... Odd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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