kiwiplymouth Posted October 31, 2009 Report Share Posted October 31, 2009 Hi Guys, I was just wondering if you could please clarify 2 points for me. 1) Does the prospecting rule now prohibit threads like this ? viewtopic.php?f=24&t=39632 2) Can you please elaborate on this rule, clarification would be appreciated by many IMO. "- posts intended to create a reaction" Cheers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smidey Posted October 31, 2009 Report Share Posted October 31, 2009 shouldn't this be in the New Zealand Fishroom Website section? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phoenix44 Posted October 31, 2009 Report Share Posted October 31, 2009 I think they let phil do it as he is commercial, and should know what he is doing. I think now the rules are not being enforced in a draconian way its much nicer here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiwiplymouth Posted October 31, 2009 Author Report Share Posted October 31, 2009 I think now the rules are not being enforced in a draconian way its much nicer here. I agree whole heartedly but it would be a shame if we could not get together as a group with a commercial supplier to import any given product in quantities that would benefit us all. There is power in numbers and I'm not sure why this site would want to deny us that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Insect Direct Posted October 31, 2009 Report Share Posted October 31, 2009 shops need numbers to :lol: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiwiplymouth Posted October 31, 2009 Author Report Share Posted October 31, 2009 shops need numbers to :lol: Yes i agree with you m@tt But when I sell fish to a retailer and often see them put an 800% markup on those fish, You cant blame me for wanting to side step the middle man Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
livingart Posted October 31, 2009 Report Share Posted October 31, 2009 i used to feel the same KP ontil i ran a lps then i found that some of those fish i bought in took awhile to sell, consumeed food, used power and maybe lost some profit made on good buys offset reduced margins on others i sourced from wholesalers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiwiplymouth Posted October 31, 2009 Author Report Share Posted October 31, 2009 i used to feel the same KP ontil i ran a lps then i found that some of those fish i bought in took awhile to sell, consumeed food, used power and maybe lost some profit made on good buys offset reduced margins on others i sourced from wholesalers I agree with you too LA, Having been a farmer and a small business owner I am well aware of the cost of doing business before you even open the doors :evil: I also know the importance that LPS'S have to the hobby. All that I am asking is that if a group of enthusiasts want to band together to import any given item, Why cant they use this site to communicate ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
livingart Posted November 1, 2009 Report Share Posted November 1, 2009 my personal thoughts on this is that opening it up can lead to possible abuse by future members or conflict with lfs or wholesalers The ban on it is because in the past it has caused nothing but trouble, people losing money, a law suit, and the FNZAS being blamed when it was nothing to do with us! Phil is commercial so knows what he is doing, imports regularly, and is a recognised business to whom people could direct police or whoever if their business dealings with him went awry. this site is primarily the public face of the F.N.Z.A.S. and was setup to allow hobbyists to communicate with each other and help with problems they faced the F.N.Z.A.S also carries weight as a lobby group with some authorities in nz and therefore needs to be seen as non commercial, ie: for the hobby with no commercial interests whatsoever there are other avenues available to you to communicate with other fish keepers than through this website Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barrie Posted November 1, 2009 Report Share Posted November 1, 2009 I am 100% against groups getting together for bulk buying for exactly the reasons that others have mentioned... WE NEED LOCAL FISH SHOPS If you want to set up in against them feel free to do so. Phil Collis is a bussiness and as such I have no problem with buying from him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David R Posted November 1, 2009 Report Share Posted November 1, 2009 Is it alright to organise a bulk buy from a local shop then? :-? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
livingart Posted November 1, 2009 Report Share Posted November 1, 2009 well that would be between you and the shop you could always try Phil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smidey Posted November 1, 2009 Report Share Posted November 1, 2009 I am 100% against groups getting together for bulk buying for exactly the reasons that others have mentioned... WE NEED LOCAL FISH SHOPS If you want to set up in against them feel free to do so. Phil Collis is a bussiness and as such I have no problem with buying from him from what i understand KP is saying its for unique items perhaps rather than shortcutting them altogether. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
livingart Posted November 1, 2009 Report Share Posted November 1, 2009 from what i understand KP is saying its for unique items perhaps rather than shortcutting them altogether. i didn't ubderstand that from any of the posts so far Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alanmin4304 Posted November 1, 2009 Report Share Posted November 1, 2009 If KP is so keen why is he not organising it on the fishkeepers site already? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smidey Posted November 1, 2009 Report Share Posted November 1, 2009 i didn't ubderstand that from any of the posts so far this is where i get this from All that I am asking is that if a group of enthusiasts want to band together to import any given item, Why cant they use this site to communicate ? i'd use the rainbow tropheus as an example, no shops or suppliers currently offer them but if a gropu of us could discuss importing as a group such an item on here then we could band together & import it, whether that be direct or through an importer. To me the point is not by passing the LFS & suppliers rather discussing what each of us would be prepared to, as a group to make it viable to get something new in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smidey Posted November 1, 2009 Report Share Posted November 1, 2009 If KP is so keen why is he not organising it on the fishkeepers site already? how do you know we aren't, maybe we would like to share our hard work with users here as well for their benefit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alanmin4304 Posted November 2, 2009 Report Share Posted November 2, 2009 Thanks, that is very generous of you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smidey Posted November 2, 2009 Report Share Posted November 2, 2009 things run the risk of becoming extinct if they don't adapt..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
livingart Posted November 2, 2009 Report Share Posted November 2, 2009 only if the conditions change Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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