Gannet Posted November 22, 2008 Report Share Posted November 22, 2008 just found this link and it looks like he is in trouble again for offering work when there is none. link: http://www.nzrealitytv.com/2008/11/lion ... roken.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave+Amy Posted November 22, 2008 Report Share Posted November 22, 2008 has anyone actually been there? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoody Posted November 23, 2008 Report Share Posted November 23, 2008 Somthing weird about this guy I reckon........... :roll: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
livingart Posted November 23, 2008 Report Share Posted November 23, 2008 i think you may have hit that nail on the head there hoody Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
museeumchick Posted November 23, 2008 Report Share Posted November 23, 2008 Somthing weird about this guy I reckon........... :roll: I agree completely, v strange ideas he has Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
livebearer_breeder Posted November 24, 2008 Report Share Posted November 24, 2008 Who spends $2000 relocating to be a VOLUNTEER without an offer in writing? Seems pretty bizarre to me I agree with the above. Think some of these people have been glamoured by the job and not really thought about the business end of things. Maybe the show should be about the family rather than the animals - like the Osbournes or Kardashians. I am far from a star struck little girl but it is difficult to work out why Craig attracts quite the degree of venom from some people that he does.Or are there are a handful of individuals with personal agendas that stalk these boards, a bit sad really. And websites like this who are keen to condemn are being hypercritical by then using his name (and others) to attract people to the site. Slag off the celebs, but without them, no website. This is just gutter press on the net. You've got to wonder just how much things get twisted through the press. The Media is a business, and anything they can use to sell (White lies or not) they will use. I dont personally know these people and im sure alot of you dont either, so it all comes down to chinese wispers huh. Im on the fence Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lmsmith Posted November 24, 2008 Report Share Posted November 24, 2008 Buyer beware I say. They shouldn't be going anywhere if they don't have a solid plan, an if they do it's at their risk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
livebearer_breeder Posted November 24, 2008 Report Share Posted November 24, 2008 Buyer beware I say. They shouldn't be going anywhere if they don't have a solid plan, an if they do it's at their risk. Couldn't have put it better myself! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zev Posted November 24, 2008 Report Share Posted November 24, 2008 As far as the press is concerned these days, you can't let the facts get in the way of a good story. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaide Posted November 24, 2008 Report Share Posted November 24, 2008 the Lion Man and his mother were recently in the news fighting over the park Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
livingart Posted November 24, 2008 Report Share Posted November 24, 2008 I agree with the above. Think some of these people have been glamoured by the job and not really thought about the business end of things. yes some people are glamoured by the job, but when verbal promises are made (which is in itself a contract) they tend to feel sure of themselves As far as the press is concerned these days, you can't let the facts get in the way of a good story. yes the press do twist things to make a good story ex business partners, ex investors, ex partner, ex workers, ex mother ex plains a lot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoody Posted November 24, 2008 Report Share Posted November 24, 2008 ha ha ha. well said! I have no doubt's at all that he generally care's about consevation ect, but some of his way's of going about it are strangein my mind. Think he push's his luck with the big cat's too....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
livingart Posted November 24, 2008 Report Share Posted November 24, 2008 Think he push's his luck with the big cat's too....... he does push his luck but no luck involved when the ones he works are declawed does not go in cages with the wild pride check out the first series where they throw meat to the cats and they can't hook it into the cage yes i have trained and handled lions. tigers a leopard and bears Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farmchick Posted November 24, 2008 Report Share Posted November 24, 2008 but no luck involved when the ones he works are declawed Has he really had them declawed? That is sick :evil: I remember as a teenager being horrified when I read that in China you could have your photo taken with a live tiger and it was safe because it had had its claws removed and some tendons and ligaments cut to remove any chance of it causing injury. I cant believe we have some wacko over here doing it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
livingart Posted November 24, 2008 Report Share Posted November 24, 2008 i have never seen that done in australasia before, but have seen a few done overseas mainly with cats used for mixing with the public, claims to justify it were that it was safer for the public and stopped the cats from injuring each other when fighting all cats use the front paws to pull an animal in, hold it then deliver a bite from the powerful jaws, usually a choke hold they are just like housecats some are laid back and will never put a claw out while some will hook in as quick as look at you the ability to understand the mood of the animal and not push it to the attack point is rare and even those training big cats for years have been caught the 2 magicians siigfried and roy, being a prime example of a tame tiger, playing up in the first show, then being used for another show a few hours later he baulked at walking onto the stage so the trainer forced the issue with a tug on the chain that cat turned on his handler so quickly that attendants were unable to react fast enough to stop it inflicting major damage from one bite to the neck the trainer recovered but will never be the same again one famous tiger handler had told his family that if he was killed by one of his tigers that they were not to kill the tiger as it would be his fault if he was killed not the tigers he was killed by his favourite tiger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinytawnykitten Posted November 24, 2008 Report Share Posted November 24, 2008 Isn't declawing illegal here? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David R Posted November 24, 2008 Report Share Posted November 24, 2008 Mark; what you've said there is exactly why I don't agree with people trying to tame such animals. They are beautiful animals and skilled predators, and should be appreciated for that rather than trying to turn them into something they're not. All this talk of people bonding with them makes me laugh, if the lionman really bonded with them he wouldn't need to have them declawed.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chilli Posted November 24, 2008 Report Share Posted November 24, 2008 hi people have a look on youtube at pet lion and theres a really cool pet lion that rememberd his owner after he was set free Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
livingart Posted November 24, 2008 Report Share Posted November 24, 2008 hi people have a look on youtube at pet lion and theres a really cool pet lion that rememberd his owner after he was set free yes chilli some animals are exceptional like humans they all have different personalities at least with an animal usually what you see is what you get have seen some absolutely amazing animal handlers over the years but also some bad ones some of these wild animals are up to 50 generations in captivity spent 2 years living with either a tiger or a diabetic baboon in my caravan got bitten by the baboon a few times when he was irratable from the diabeties never got touched by the tiger, the only thing he would do is lay on me when we were fighting he didn't like me pulling his whiskers had me by the back of my head once but no pressure Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David R Posted November 24, 2008 Report Share Posted November 24, 2008 I wonder how many generations it takes for something like that to become domesticated? :lol: Still, our cat gets pissed off every now and then and digs the claws/teeth in, I certianly wouldn't want anything bigger doing it... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ira Posted November 25, 2008 Report Share Posted November 25, 2008 I wonder how many generations it takes for something like that to become domesticated? :lol: Still, our cat gets pissed off every now and then and digs the claws/teeth in, I certianly wouldn't want anything bigger doing it... I remember reading about some place in Russia(iirc) domesticating foxes in some 20-30 generations. It was actually really interesting the huge change in psychology over the generations going from instinctive fear to instinctive like of people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whetu Posted November 25, 2008 Report Share Posted November 25, 2008 ...he didn't like me pulling his whiskers... You pulled his whiskers?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
museeumchick Posted November 25, 2008 Report Share Posted November 25, 2008 interesting animal psychology going on i was wondering if all animals can be domesticated? (vaguely remember some lecture mentioning that horses were able to be domesticated while zebra weren't.... and relating it to things like what sort of society humans had in what areas of the world, depending on what they could domesticate) some super interesting ideas (despite the exceptional vagueness of the remembering). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
livingart Posted November 25, 2008 Report Share Posted November 25, 2008 you need to talk to your lecturer, we had trained zebra in the circus mind you though the stallions are worse than any thoroughbred Ira the phsycology is interesting it mainly depends on the humans they have dealt with to a tiger that had never seen a man before we are just easy meat to a wild tiger that has been shot at before or driven in front of a beat we are to be avoided most well treated animals like you when you are the sole provider of food as david has said even your domestic cat can hook in sometimes you can sometimes bluff a lion by running at it yelling but you can't bluff a tiger or a leopard, probably the most focused and determined animals i have come across Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon1990 Posted November 25, 2008 Report Share Posted November 25, 2008 you can sometimes bluff a lion by running at it yelling but you can't bluff a tiger or a leopard, probably the most focused and determined animals i have come across Have you tried running and yelling at a tiger or leopard? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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