firenzenz Posted October 10, 2008 Report Share Posted October 10, 2008 http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing ... =181360171 http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing ... =181604719 So I might think to buy some of both to expand my gene pool-Hmm! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
livingart Posted October 10, 2008 Report Share Posted October 10, 2008 muddy up the gene pool Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryanjury Posted October 10, 2008 Report Share Posted October 10, 2008 lol yeah I saw them.. One of them has a photo of a jacob's in the auction, and the other is calling them baenshi.. Who knows what they are but my best guess would have been firebird's were Rubescens? I thought they were actually imported and on the list with this name? Probably not a good idea to buy from either given the mix ups and that neither of them have photo's of the actual fish on their auctions.. You wouldn't know what you were going to get. That is the problem with common names, I think also people see something on tradme or their mates tanks and decide it is what they have also and call their fish that.. Or google the common name which will pop up for many different species that people have posted with no knowledge, this is what people do when trying to sell fish on trademe and pick the best one not even knowing what it is.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
livingart Posted October 10, 2008 Report Share Posted October 10, 2008 best we can do is ensure we breed from known stock and market as that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
firenzenz Posted October 10, 2008 Author Report Share Posted October 10, 2008 depends where you live I guess. http://www.fishprofiles.com/files/profiles/231.htm http://www.livefish.com.au/index.php?ma ... ts_id=1192 Part of List that was on this site Peacock Rubescenes/Firebird Ps Demasoni Ps Socolofi Ps Zebra Albino Ps. Lombardoi Ps. Zebra Blue Tropheus Moorii Firefox Yellow Peacock Yellowstripe Cichlids Ps. Snowwhite Blue Dolphin Marble Zebras Take care Kind Regards John Organism Ltd 399 Ilam Rd Ph 03 351 3001 Fax 03 351 4001 Mon - Friday 10- 5.00 Sat - Sun 10- 4.00 [email protected] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryanjury Posted October 10, 2008 Report Share Posted October 10, 2008 I was pretty confident they come through with Rubescenes on the list.. It seems the firebird common name has been used in alot of places if I had my way peacocks would only be sold with sc names but that would never happen.. You can take pretty much any common name google it and find links where it relates to several different species, which one is right or wrong? Luckily we got our firebirds in with an actual name as well Livingart you are right we can only do the best with what we have some people (I think mainly from lack of knowledge) seem to be taking us backwards without knowing it.. Someone will buy one firebird auction (the one with the jacob's as pictured) and resell them as jacob's.. Someone else will buy the other firebird auction and resell them as baenshi, this is how confusion is created. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
livingart Posted October 10, 2008 Report Share Posted October 10, 2008 (I think mainly from lack of knowledge) or hard of hearing frybergi and firebird might sound the same Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryanjury Posted October 10, 2008 Report Share Posted October 10, 2008 Yeah could be that.. lol some people just aren't that into it and buy fish because they're pretty then they breed and they've forgotten what they actually where so have to get inventive when reselling them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David R Posted October 10, 2008 Report Share Posted October 10, 2008 Funny story along these lines... There is a genus of plants called Stapelia which have finger-like stems and are only identifiable by their flower, the stems are nearly identical. While browsing trademe at work I noticed someone using a pic of a Stapelia flower from our website for a plant he was selling. Obviously he'd done a google search for Stapelia, found a pic of the flower that looked like the one he was selling and decided to use that pic. I saved him as a favorite seller to keep an eye on his listings to make sure he didn't steal any more of our photos. A few days later I got an email from trademe with his new listings, one of which was "Stapelia Refrigerator Magnet". Eh?! I thought. Then I clicked, and googled 'Stapelia refrigerator magnet', and found the same pic he was using to sell the plant on the website of a company selling fridge magnets. Obviously his english (and botanical Latin) were very poor, and he thought the species was called Refrigerator Magnet because thats what the title of the page was! :lol: Anyway, in this case all you can do is try to inform the seller of his incorrect identification and hope he's accepting of it (unlike half the dimwits on trademe who seem to be experts in everything)... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkLB Posted October 10, 2008 Report Share Posted October 10, 2008 he thought the species was called Refrigerator Magnet because thats what the title of the page was! LMAO :lol: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
livingart Posted October 10, 2008 Report Share Posted October 10, 2008 LTMSS :lol: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryanjury Posted October 10, 2008 Report Share Posted October 10, 2008 Thats awesome good story Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AMAZONIAN Posted October 10, 2008 Report Share Posted October 10, 2008 Hi All A Good story. If you ask any of the TASMAN CLUB about Names, they will all tell you "ERROL IS ALWAYS GOING ON ABOUT LEARNING AND USING THE LATIN/SCIENTIFIC NAMES". :roll: I seem to have had my push for correctness exonorated as this is a good case in point. :oops: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
my4age Posted October 11, 2008 Report Share Posted October 11, 2008 Who knows what they are but my best guess would have been firebird's were Rubescens? I thought they were actually imported and on the list with this name? that's what i thought too. i got mine from Organism being labeled as rubescens firebird Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
firenzenz Posted October 11, 2008 Author Report Share Posted October 11, 2008 the problem is that becomes "Something, something firebird", and people trust too easily what google tells and shows them, and or not don't research their fish much. All of sudden the "something,something" is filled in again with what ever. So these two auctions, one for jacobfriebergi, and other 95% Baenschi, are very probable both Rubenscens, rubins red, ruby red. was firebird merely someone given a new name as there were are few Rubescens available. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucid Posted October 11, 2008 Report Share Posted October 11, 2008 The first is a guy from here? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryanjury Posted October 12, 2008 Report Share Posted October 12, 2008 Yeah I agree, that some person in the first one (who if they are on here its great maybe they could enter into the discussion) has a pair of transcriptus listed as marlieri because someone told them they were.. Obviously without doing any research because the picture on the auction is of a transcriptus and marlieri are a little harder to find.. Again going to create confusion down the line when they're being sold. I don't believe this person is trying to trick anyone or do anything dodgy just that they might not have the knowledge or have done the reserach. It is just going to create confusion down the line and points out why you should always buy of people who know what they're doing and have pride/passion for it. When I buy a fish off someone no matter who I always research what it was supposed to be and I watch it as it matures and make sure that is indeed what it is.. And that is off trusted and respectable internet sites not the ones that allow anyone to submit a random photo and a name and it gets posted. I suspect that the exporters who sold the fish to the nz wholesalers attached the "firebird" name to the fish to make it more marketable.. Everyone wants to get hold of awesome bright red peacocks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
new zealand discus man Posted October 17, 2008 Report Share Posted October 17, 2008 Hi i have trans....And saw his...They have more bars going deeper in belly.. So T or M..? or X.. To firebirds..I have 20 growing on and saw male in a flash and consider it mostly orange......Let ya know when older...Not easy getting reds..So if anyone has some Maleri Reds let me know.......Cheers Phill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryanjury Posted October 17, 2008 Report Share Posted October 17, 2008 Well as long as the barring goes around to the bottom of the body then they're most likely marlieri.. I guess it also depends where they got them from and what they were labelled as.. Actual photo's on the auction always help, who knows without seeing the fish or a descent photo. The only concern is passing them on with the wrong name using internet photo's and the new owner breeding them and passing them on with incorrect names just like the firebirds.. Peacock Rubescenes/Firebird if they are actually Rubescenes are just line bred A maleri's anyway there are a few nice strains of maleri reds around in NZ I have a few babies growing out from 2 of them to keep the redder ones.. Technically these could also be called Rubins reds because they are just red maleri's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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