cesarz Posted March 17, 2008 Report Share Posted March 17, 2008 Hi Folks, Now that there are confirmed real Endler's livebearers in New Zealand, I toured the fish shops in Auckland and there are still some available for sale. I also found some of the same type of endlers in the "cold water guppy" tanks usually used as feeder fish! I have not confirmed the source of these venezuelan guppies (and the feeder fish) but I suspect the endlers have been in NZ for a long time and somebody (the source) has been breeding them. In the past I have looked at some of the guppys from the thermal springs near Rotorua and some of those fish have really good colours almost the same as the venezuelan (endlers) guppies. Your thoughts.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mel1708 Posted March 18, 2008 Report Share Posted March 18, 2008 Are you saying the "Venezuala" guppies in the shops are Endlers? I had no idea but now that I think about it they were quite alot different to the wild type guppies - much more vibrant! There were quite a few of them in the shops up here about 2 or 3 months ago. Mel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cesarz Posted March 18, 2008 Author Report Share Posted March 18, 2008 Yep, Venezuelan guppies are Endlers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A.PROPHECY Posted March 18, 2008 Report Share Posted March 18, 2008 there imported Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A-town... Posted March 18, 2008 Report Share Posted March 18, 2008 yea janskins had some for a while..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AMAZONIAN Posted March 21, 2008 Report Share Posted March 21, 2008 Hi All. I have been on the "HUNT" for some for a long time now along with "oryzias sp." and have not been able to actually have a beastie in my hand. Also I have heard that ll the available Endlers are in fact males. That wouldn't matter as after about four generations of crossing with reticulata females the strain will be fixe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caserole Posted March 21, 2008 Report Share Posted March 21, 2008 Check the shops in CHCH next time your down that way, they had some a little while back. Or you can wait for your fallow NZKA members to breed them up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AMAZONIAN Posted March 21, 2008 Report Share Posted March 21, 2008 Hi Stu I didn't realise you had any; :oops: or didnt know anybody who did. :roll: I will wait now I know of the reality of these. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caserole Posted March 21, 2008 Report Share Posted March 21, 2008 You fool AMAZONIAN, Cesarz is NZKA aswell :lol: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AMAZONIAN Posted March 21, 2008 Report Share Posted March 21, 2008 Hi All. And I was the only person that thought I was stupid. :lol: How wrong can a person be. Thanks caserole. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keri Anne Posted March 21, 2008 Report Share Posted March 21, 2008 Just to put my 2 cents in.... This page is really informative. :lol: http://members.cox.net/newcomb1/endlers.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keri Anne Posted March 21, 2008 Report Share Posted March 21, 2008 Okay... make that 4 cents.... lots of good pics here: http://members.cox.net/newcomb1/armando.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AMAZONIAN Posted March 23, 2008 Report Share Posted March 23, 2008 Hi All Most informative links and well worth reading in full. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adrienne Posted March 25, 2008 Report Share Posted March 25, 2008 Jansens has them in today and Hollywood did on Saturday, not the same lot I think as they were different colours. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keri Anne Posted March 25, 2008 Report Share Posted March 25, 2008 Jansens has them in today and Hollywood did on Saturday, not the same lot I think as they were different colours. So more than 1 phenotype is available? Cool. I wonder if these are from wild caught of facility breed? I guess there is almost no way of knowing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cesarz Posted March 25, 2008 Author Report Share Posted March 25, 2008 Yes KA, So far I have seen two phenotypes 1. Wild type blonde hybrid, same as number 22 on http://swampriveraquatics.com/_wsn/page2.html 2. Black bar lyretail hybrid, similar to number 10 but lyretail http://swampriveraquatics.com/ According to the endlers r us classification, they belong to the K class which means endlers that have been bred with other livebearers (in this case to guppies) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keri Anne Posted March 25, 2008 Report Share Posted March 25, 2008 Cesarz if you ever see any of 21 on that first link you know to PM me... right? :lol: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon1990 Posted March 25, 2008 Report Share Posted March 25, 2008 Anyone here in CHCH have any endlers? Id be interested in pair Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cesarz Posted March 27, 2008 Author Report Share Posted March 27, 2008 Here is a pic , he is more of a guppy than an endler, more to come. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keri Anne Posted March 27, 2008 Report Share Posted March 27, 2008 Wow Cesarz.. would love to see that in Albino! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cesarz Posted March 27, 2008 Author Report Share Posted March 27, 2008 Compare them to the NZ wild guppies I selected: the only thing missing is the tail colour! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caserole Posted March 28, 2008 Report Share Posted March 28, 2008 I pick up a blonde Endler 2 days ago and plan to do just that Keri Anna. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon1990 Posted March 28, 2008 Report Share Posted March 28, 2008 Compare them to the NZ wild guppies I selected: the only thing missing is the tail colour! I had some like that a while ago and i found they grew faster and bigger than the ones with fancy tails. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keri Anne Posted March 28, 2008 Report Share Posted March 28, 2008 I pick up a blonde Endler 2 days ago and plan to do just that Keri Anna. Do they have that cool patterned lyre-tail like the one you posted above?? That and the orange would look just incredible on an albino :lol: Addicted? Huh?? No idea what you're talking about..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caserole Posted March 28, 2008 Report Share Posted March 28, 2008 Every fish is a little different, but yes same import. Dixon1990, the wild guppies cesaerz has pictured are just that from the wild, and are very very small due to decades of inbreeding. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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