OscarBoy Posted December 8, 2007 Report Share Posted December 8, 2007 wow thats a huge snake Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henward Posted December 8, 2007 Report Share Posted December 8, 2007 im sorry to have to say this as most newzealanders would frown upon this but probably alot of people that are not from here or are well travelled would agree.. nz has the "we have the biggest and best in the world' syndrome. Sylvia park, biggest movies my ar se albany mall supposedly is biggest in southern hemisphere..yeah right nz has the most violent crime stats etc per capita yeah right stuff like this nz does not have the most beautful animals in the world, watch discovery, you will see our animals are actually 99% UGLY, no ofence to anyone who loves them. Amazon would have one of the best selection. The kiwi bird is dull, boring and uninteresting. The moa would havebeen great! but a certain people ate them to death! the eggs for that matter! IM SORRY BUT I MUST AGREE. Nz does not have the nicest animals. the birds are not very colourful, parrots are boring. though you get the odd interesting animal. but no scorpions, tarantulas, snakes.... but in saying that you have to be partially greatful, no snakes for poison, spiders, scorpions can be an upside. i think nz MAF just likes to make money, i mean the cost of red arowana for example and those exotic aros, its so much, they dont carry disease we know that, they are farm bred, we know that, but so they can make more money, they charge ridiculous amounts, COS THEY CAN. if a red aro escapes into a river here, it would die very rapidly, even in the hottest of summer, itr wouldnt live long enough to eat anything or breed for that matter. some parts of the rivers these are from goes up to 30 degrees in temp, nz would never reach that, if it does, not for long. even snakes would die here, perhaps spiders and arachnids would survive in nz wether, but even that, is unlikely. if a tarantula escapes, im sure a kiwi bird would have a nice protein filled meal that night. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OscarBoy Posted December 8, 2007 Report Share Posted December 8, 2007 if i read this right he or she payed 7k for a aro Thank you for your explaination! I have a Chilli Red AA+ arowana and Golden Cross back AAA+ arowana (I'm the first and only person have the GoldenXback in NZ)at my home. The price are 7000 NZD for each. I'm looking for better Chilli Red not worth.(like Vip Red)Please tell me if you want to buy.I can send you some photos. posted by: ztyjie (15 ) 5:17 pm, Fri 7 Dec Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henward Posted December 8, 2007 Report Share Posted December 8, 2007 yes please my email is attache, please send mepics but 7k wow i cant do that thats a massive holiday or a car or a engne management computer and a new turbo and manifolds for a sports car:D thats alot of money, if i had it iprobably would though but 7k, it makes me sad cos those fish cost 1400 or less in asia why is it that the quarantine cost is more for better grades, its the same fish just different colour! but i fyou have cheaper ones, i would be considerinng it send me pics anyways i wanna see:D! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
firenzenz Posted December 8, 2007 Report Share Posted December 8, 2007 Henward if I found you ugly does that give me the right to determine what was yours is no longer yours. Should I determine that where you lived was better suited to what I wanted to live there. Try this maye- extend your arm as far as it will go focus on your fingers. Now look past your fingers and see what is out beyond- it's called context, something yor point of view is in dire need of. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coelacanth Posted December 8, 2007 Report Share Posted December 8, 2007 well said firenzenz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
livingart Posted December 8, 2007 Report Share Posted December 8, 2007 hear hear - everything is relative! if you were still in Singapore henward and you kept nz natives there you would be the envy of all the other local animal keepers and would have to be a very rich person to afford them you can find snakes almost anywhere in the world but many of our natives can be found nowhere else Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henward Posted December 9, 2007 Report Share Posted December 9, 2007 thats true wher eyou are is relative here, freshwater puffers, beardies and uguanas are rare hence we sought them highly it is just a matter of opnion i was expressing unless your opinion is now gospel, then i will apologise, bend over and put my mouth around my as s and say sorry but this is my opinion, nz geckos fetch thousands over seas because its rare there, here its not that rare. but i guess i keep animals for different reasons to some or most even if i was in asia or africa, there are animals i wouldnt keep even if it was rare here to begin with. all i said that - and this cannot be disputed the danger of arowanas taking over our water ways is highly unlikely in fact the chances are nil. i expressed opinion that kiwi birds are boring. Thats my opnion. I think they are boring. i rather have monster birds in my backyard so to speak. emus and stuff. thats my opnion. so i see your point. but i think your aggression is highly unfounded, and i should ask you to calm down. one person saying "nz has one of the most beautiful animals in the world" is conjecture and here say - has that person seen amazonian or other exotic animals face to face? condors? giant eagles? jsut to set examples.... probably not... its opinion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henward Posted December 9, 2007 Report Share Posted December 9, 2007 for your comment that i need context. context is different to opinion. i agree that if snakes come here. it will kill everything IF THEY SURVIVE. see, i actually put two arguaments to one. so i dont know what you are trying to imply witht he extending arms and finger thing. i find that to be pointless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon1990 Posted December 9, 2007 Report Share Posted December 9, 2007 but i guess i keep animals for different reasons to some or most YEs you do,you say in some posts you keep animals to watch them eat other animals? I pesonally think this is a bit weird. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henward Posted December 9, 2007 Report Share Posted December 9, 2007 it is abit weird but weird isnt bad watching a fish eat another fish - nature watching a lion hunt down a gazelle in a safari...weird? one of the biggest nature industries so weird might be a wrong term... non mainstream thats beter:D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
firenzenz Posted December 9, 2007 Report Share Posted December 9, 2007 Lets try irony then- in a totally contextual sense of course.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HaNs Posted December 9, 2007 Report Share Posted December 9, 2007 The thing is that we dont want to experiment to see if something survives Once its out and breeding there's no stopping it/them Look at pleco's in other countries schools of them Just take one look at the possum population Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robbert Posted December 9, 2007 Report Share Posted December 9, 2007 well said hans, why take the risk and why bother getting upset about it theres nothing anyone can do to make exotics more avalible in nz so evryone should just deal with t and stop complaining Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coelacanth Posted December 9, 2007 Report Share Posted December 9, 2007 IM SORRY BUT I MUST AGREE. Nz does not have the nicest animals. the birds are not very colourful, parrots are boring. though you get the odd interesting animal. but no scorpions, tarantulas, snakes.... even snakes would die here, perhaps spiders and arachnids would survive in nz wether, but even that, is unlikely. if a tarantula escapes, im sure a kiwi bird would have a nice protein filled meal that night. your opinion of animals appears to be that if you can't feed it another live animal then it is worthless. To say that NZ's fauna is dull and uninteresting is to display ignorance on an epic level. Everywhere on Earth has animals that are amazing, and NZ happens to have a higher than usual ratio due to the conjunction of various factors such as being an island, being isolated from other land-masses for 80 million years, the lack of mammalian influences, etc etc. To live in NZ is to be the envy of many zoologists or naturalists from other parts of the world. Just off the top of my head I can think of many fantastic NZ species which could by no stretch of the imagination be called uninteresting, such as live-bearing geckos, bioluminescent freshwater limpets, a predatory alpine parrot, the world's largest springtail (1cm long!), alpine flies with "solar-powered" wings, giant crickets bigger than mice. Going back just a millenium, before the arrival of humans to the islands, there was the world's largest gecko, largest eagle, tallest bird and others. It can't be doubted that a scarlet macaw is more brightly-coloured than a kakapo but the latter is the world's only flightless parrot, the heaviest parrot, the only fully-nocturnal parrot, the only parrot that has a lek system for breeding (as well as being the only flightless lek bird). To suggest that the parrots here are boring because they aren't brightly-coloured is to show a shallowness worthy of a supermodel. And as for the survival of snakes, please don't comment on things of which you are profoundly lacking in knowledge. There are literally dozens of species of snake that would survive perfectly well in NZ's climate. The latitude of snake distribution reaches to 69 degrees North in Scandanavia and 45 degrees South in Argentina. Just in Australia there are several species that could potentially establish populations in parts of NZ. I'm not really sure what you think you mean by "perhaps spiders and arachnids would survive in nz wether, but even that, is unlikely". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
livingart Posted December 9, 2007 Report Share Posted December 9, 2007 brilliant riposte coelacanth et tu brute Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Varanophile Posted December 9, 2007 Report Share Posted December 9, 2007 well said hans, why take the risk and why bother getting upset about it theres nothing anyone can do to make exotics more avalible in nz so evryone should just deal with t and stop complaining Maybe they could legalise everything that has been here for many years and has had to be under the radar? Anyone with a green iguana or green water dragon will keep it quiet...the animals will be killed- even tho the people that sold them were the bad dudes..... If its been here for years, legalise it. when you do that then you will know if stuff comes in illegally and recently...and the smuggling will be less profitable. Introduce a licensing system and charge exotic keepers a fee, say $200 a year. $100 goes to admin and paying for the system and the other $100 could go to Doc. Everyone wins..problem is what's that saying? you pay peanuts you get monkeys?? well last i checked the guys at maf were not paid very well..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coelacanth Posted December 9, 2007 Report Share Posted December 9, 2007 actually the species that are already kept legally are also the ones that are smuggled in most often because it is easier to pass them off as NZ-bred animals Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Varanophile Posted December 9, 2007 Report Share Posted December 9, 2007 actually the species that are already kept legally are also the ones that are smuggled in most often because it is easier to pass them off as NZ-bred animals exactly- you need a licensing system- like the one in aus. no licence no sale. the person who sells has to fill in you licence and you fill in theirs. you need to keep records and have a known address that officials can search at any time without a warrant...pretty basic really and it works..if reptiles turn up without a breeders details... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coelacanth Posted December 9, 2007 Report Share Posted December 9, 2007 ah I see what you're saying now. Yes that does sound like a good plan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Varanophile Posted December 9, 2007 Report Share Posted December 9, 2007 ah I see what you're saying now. Yes that does sound like a good plan. sweet. but how does one go about it- short of working for maf?? petition? dont think enough people realise the issue, and compared to CJD, foot and mouth and fruitflies we would be way down the list.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henward Posted December 9, 2007 Report Share Posted December 9, 2007 well its opinion right i didnt say that they are not nice because they eat other animals you are taking what i personally find interesting and that is the predatory instincts and using it as part of your arguament. i find macaws very nice, they dont eat other birds... or do they? they dont eat rodents and dogs? do they? i also like discus fish, they dont eat other animals. i love large birds like ostriches, they dont eat other animals. what im trying ot say, is MY OPINION. the arguament here is that we are saying we shouldnt take the risk, that is fair enough with the example of Possums etc snakes, yes there are snakes that live in icy conditions and can live sub zero, i know that. a licensing system sounds like a good plan, but as you said, smuggling is where it all started anyways. but for the risk, some will say its worth it, some say its not. but the point im trying to make originally, is that All countries, especially in NZ that i noticed the most - stake claim to having the biggest, brightest, biggest, coolest of things in the world all the time. but unfortunately its unfounded. hence my example of the animals. but i can go on about other things that are not in the animal kingdom, but i guess this is a animal forum so i just gave examples about animals. you might feel that nz animals are really cool i think some are, but i dont for most of them thats my opinion i also like indian and thai curries......... you might not, its ok but i like it, thats how i feel. well, perhaps you can be the leftist socialist emotion and think police.... thats fine..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coelacanth Posted December 10, 2007 Report Share Posted December 10, 2007 your arguments are circular Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henward Posted December 10, 2007 Report Share Posted December 10, 2007 yes, it is, so let stop circle generally has no ends Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterpindare Posted December 13, 2007 Author Report Share Posted December 13, 2007 mmmmaaaannnn there has been some good replies!! but who's talking about letting pythons in the wild of nz?? pythons are happy to live in heated encloser, that should be alright! unless some idoit release's them to the wild in nz.... and i suppose thats why they dont allow snake's in nz!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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