does anyone have these? are they even allowed in NZ?

Not allowed

Ghostface - Notice Reef answered your 2nd question, not the first. Their allowance state with MAF has little to do with their availability.

They have been imported and offered for sale in NZ in the past. They were quite expesnive though, over $40.00ea.

Pie

I hope someone that has them has submitted them to MAF.

cheers pie

if anyone never has any i'd gladly not buy some from them

i wonder if theyll make the list.....

does anyone have any suggestions for apstasia eating critters apart from copperband then?

joes juice joes juice joes juice

not that hard to say more three times fast.

apart from chemical. i want a more permanent solution

yep get rid off them once and youll never get them again.

i dont think anyone here would seriously advocate natural predation as a permanently sustainable way of eliminating them.

lets say you get a copperband and it eats them all but then doesnt want to eat any prepared food. what happens??

the fish dies of starvation and your hidden aipstasia's come back again.

same problem with the nudibranches that eat them, they eat the ones they can find but then run out off food and die.

joes juice kills them and doesnt harm the tank if used wisely, dont try to be different just for the sake of being different, if a product works and works well and is reccomended by everyone why not use it??????

i cant be bothered tearing my tank apart every month to get at them. i am trying to keep the tank healthy with as little intervention / labour as possible. [i want my weekends back] if there is an animal that will take care of this particular problem for me, i would rather take that route than periodically shell out for more potions from LFS. people keep copperbands successfully and swear by them, though my tank is a little too small for one i think. too bad the Ministry of Aversion to Fishkeeping have blocked most things that would be useful here.....

nothing is gauranteed, copperbands would be on top of the unlikely list. as brian says, joes juice is the bomb, nukes them really good. others use kalk paste (cheaper) just dont use the salifert one its crap.

I haven't had much luck with joes juice...

Sodium Hydroxide is king!

always on the look out for it layton but as of yet none of the supermarkets stock "draino" or any other similar sodium hydroxide product

Yeah, I plan on having a look for it too. Any suggestions on which specific chains stock it?

try google it

not countdown or pacnsave

this place has some

http://www.biolabgroup.com/downloads/catalystoz2.pdf

dont know if it is what you want or if it is in nz

its draino andrew.

cheap old draino. no seems to sell it though, havent looked at woolworths or new world

I was thinking of checking mitre 10 and bunnings.

We got Draino a few weeks back for a bathroom drain, Pak'n'Save, $8.55 a bottle.

Pie

Actually the "Draino" brand is not the best. They use other chemicals as well. I'll find the container that i use and post the actual brand. I get it from "Fresh Choice" supermarket (Might be just a Christchurch supermarket). Most supermarkets should stock some sort of granule (not liquid) drain unblocker.

Just make sure somewhere of the container it says 100% sodium hydroxide.

100% kill success. It's permanent.

Layton

I know you can get sodium hydroxide granules from Clarkes Chemicals (Onikawa), they are based in Napier but they are in all yellow pages under chemical suppliers. Its not very expensive, $10 for about a beer cans worth of granules. Which is heaps. Dont put it on your tongue - it creates a visible hole where the burn is. - Practicle lessons from 6th form chem

Dont put it on your tongue - it creates a visible hole where the burn is. - Practicle lessons from 6th form chem

How is it you haven't removed yourself from the gene pool yet? :lol:

Yip, that's why it's called caustic soda. Can be nasty, if you're careless, good thing is if you spill it on yourself, you can just wash it off with plenty of cold water to avoid a burn. Other acid or alkaline chemicals aren't so user friendly.