won't work henward. too much $$$, too little people.

plus there are literally a handful of you with the sort of tanks that are needed to keep them well.

The largest freshwater stingray caught in thailand was 485 kg

Largest one in captivity there is about 150 kg

Thats unreal!

thats a giant

south american ones are less large

aaah righto hehe

Theres a documentary series called Hooked Monster Fish. One episode is all about the stingrays in thailand, its amazing.

costs money too though.

It does cost , but if you added 20 or so fish species for say $3000 that is peanuts.

If no fish are added the same fish will keep coming in, which is boring.

does that include research costs and collation of research?

cost excludes time to do research etc,

if you got a consultancy company to do it would costs over $10k, But done for the love of it, labour would be free.

Only issues is that no many hobbyist have the skills to do the research or put a document together.

you maybe surprised at what some of the people on this board can do

Round and round we go, when it stops nobody knows.

Getting it on the list is the first of many problems, as recent events show selling the fish can also prove to be a problem.

You would also have to add fish that were actually available from the overseas exporters that our importers import from.

This sounds like a promising area. If egos can be put aside, it would be great to see a committee of interested parties who could pool resources and talents with an aim toward achieving these goals.

Getting it on the list is the first of many problems, as recent events show selling the fish can also prove to be a problem.

why would you waste your time with only rare fish.

When adding fish you would be get the ones that are generally available.

why would you waste your time with only rare fish.

When adding fish you would be get the ones that are generally available.

If you could add five "bread and butter" freshwater fish what you you add?

sure, because the bread and butter fish can be imported in qualities so it pays for itself, rare fish are risky and hard to get, however you would add them as part of a big submission.

why would you waste your time with only rare fish.

When adding fish you would be get the ones that are generally available.

That there is the big problem with the system. What is generally available now was rare 5 years ago. FW rays, armartus, Lates Spp (perches), not to mention countless South/Central american cichlids (either newly described, reclassified or as-yet undescribed) have all gone from being rarities to fairly commonly available from specialist importers in the US in recent times. How am I supposed to provide "peer reviewed scientific papers" for every single variety of the Geophagus "surinamensis" complex when most of them are still waiting to be officially described? In essence they are pretty much the same fish, different species of the same group from a different river that are identical to anyone not clued up in the finer points of identifying them isn't going to pose any more/less threat, yet it is still required to be treated as if it comes from the other side of the world.

Having an "allowed list" is really just a cop out, its much easier that trying to identify species that could pose a problem if released here. Its sad, but it is so unimportant in the greater scheme of things that it will never be changed.

Having an "allowed list" is really just a cop out, its much easier that trying to identify species that could pose a problem if released here. Its sad, but it is so unimportant in the greater scheme of things that it will never be changed.

We can only work with the regulation to get livestock approved. last time i checked my overseas suppliers have many fish that we don't get which could be added to the allowable list.

Ran to Australia. MAF was after him.

Reef :evil: If you are not sure why I move to OZ, then keep your MOUTH SHUT AND DON'T BE A HERO AND TELL LIE IN

THIS FORUM.

Chin

Hi Chin,

why did you move to oz?

anyways, who has your discus now?

you had so many nice ones!

i would like to buy some.