SixClowns Posted March 6, 2014 Report Share Posted March 6, 2014 Having higher temperatures and feeding more is a breeders technique to grow fish out fast which in turn leads to stunted fish and more nitrogen in the water which is why fry tanks need so much care. Feeding less and keeping the temperatures a little bit lower like 2-3c lower is better for long term growth, longevity and better for your water quality. Put in another way, the lower the temperature (without going too low) the longer it takes for the food you give to be metabolised and the more nutrients the fish receive. This of course is assuming that good quality foods are used ie. Omega One, New Life Spectrum. To Ron: Having 5 clown loaches in a small tank is a bit mean, considering clown loaches are capable of reaching 30cm in captivity. I hope you have good filtration at the very least. To Adrienne: Higher temperatures make whitespot spread faster. It also shortens the lifespan of the parasite but this wont help unless your medicating. Clown loaches don't have much of a chance against whitespot even if they're dosed with the heaviest medication. Your best bet is probably just not to get whitespot in the first place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calculator Posted March 6, 2014 Report Share Posted March 6, 2014 To Adrienne: Higher temperatures make whitespot spread faster. It also shortens the lifespan of the parasite but this wont help unless your medicating. Clown loaches don't have much of a chance against whitespot even if they're dosed with the heaviest medication. Your best bet is probably just not to get whitespot in the first place. I am not an expert on discus and clown loaches, other then knowing a lot of people who keep them together. But I do know that if you increase the temperature high enough you can kill off white spot because it becomes to high for them to reproduce, and for sensitive fish like discus and loaches it is a safer way to get rid of a white spot infestation. Also there are two (ish) theories about white spot, one that you introduce them with fish, then if you treat the properly you can get rid of them out of your tank completely, the other one being that white spot is always dormant in your tank, and it takes some trigger (stress usually) to have a white spot out break, there is not proof that I have managed to find proving either way being true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SixClowns Posted March 7, 2014 Report Share Posted March 7, 2014 Quote from Axelrod about clown loaches: "Clean, well aerated water. Temperature should not exceed 24c". Therefore keeping clown loaches above 30c would cause them to stress and be stunted. Also keeping any fish in water above 30c isn't very good as the higher the temperature the lower the oxygen content of the water. This is fish keeping 101 guys. Axelrod also recommends temperatures for discus to be at 24-28c, its survive or thrive. Speaking from personal experience, our clown loaches thrive at 25c, they are active, lively, we can hand feed them, they are all nice and plump and aren't nervous hide away fish like other peoples. When talking about whitespot we must keep it in context. Raising the temperature to combat whitespot is one thing but persistently keeping temperatures at 30c is another. Most experts agree that 26c is a good all round temperature and most fish wont tolerate water that is much different to their natural environment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Discusguru Posted March 7, 2014 Report Share Posted March 7, 2014 Keeping discus at temperature lower than 27 degree will be asking for trouble. You don't need oceans, lakes or rivers to keep fish. How you maintain them is the key to keeping happy healthy fish. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adrienne Posted March 7, 2014 Report Share Posted March 7, 2014 While reading a lot about the fish you keep is a must, not all information should come from one source. Many others, just as knowledgeable recommend keeping clowns at temperatures between 28 -30 degrees and similar with discus. Before you make comments about a persons set up you should either see it or know all about it. Apologies Camtang for taking your thread completely off topic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Discusguru Posted March 7, 2014 Report Share Posted March 7, 2014 :gopo: I think six clown have been reading too many Axelrod's book. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
camtang Posted March 7, 2014 Author Report Share Posted March 7, 2014 Apologies Camtang for taking your thread completely off topic No need to appoligise, I am always down for a good bit of fish chat. Speaking from personal experience, our clown loaches thrive at 25c, they are active, lively, we can hand feed them, they are all nice and plump and aren't nervous hide away fish like other peoples. I have the opposit experience. When they were around 25 I got nothing but hiding in a corner, once I went up to 29 they have been active and energetic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SixClowns Posted March 7, 2014 Report Share Posted March 7, 2014 We don't get all our information from one source, we also learned from Wonderworld Pet Centre, which is one of the best aquariums in New Zealand. All we are doing is stating opinion and giving alternative information that has worked for us. Its good to read different styles of fish keeping, what works for us might not work for others and vice versa. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
camtang Posted March 10, 2014 Author Report Share Posted March 10, 2014 So far I have ordered a silver aro, fire eel and an albino oscar. Sombody just needs to buy my Frontosa now...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexyay Posted March 10, 2014 Report Share Posted March 10, 2014 Our clowns have happily lived at 27-29 degrees (for some reason we have lost some, and only have two left, but there were no remains to find out why. I imagine we probably lost one or two during the tank move also) in a 450L. They've reduced their amount of activity but we will eventually be getting more. Make sure to try and convert the fire eel onto something like Hikari when he's young - ours refuses to eat it (even when starved), and is probably 3-5 years old, ish? Your fish combination is going to look awesome Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
camtang Posted March 10, 2014 Author Report Share Posted March 10, 2014 That was gunna be my next question whats gunna be the best to give these creatures? I still have nearly two buckets of NLS left over so that will be in the mix, but whats the bet package food for Aros and fire eels? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexyay Posted March 10, 2014 Report Share Posted March 10, 2014 That was gunna be my next question whats gunna be the best to give these creatures? I still have nearly two buckets of NLS left over so that will be in the mix, but whats the bet package food for Aros and fire eels? I was recommended the Hikari Carnivore food sticks for the fire eel - raw prawn and earthworms are a good treat too apparently (we don't have any earthworms and ours won't eat prawn lol) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
camtang Posted March 10, 2014 Author Report Share Posted March 10, 2014 Was onto the prawns, how about massivore? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adrienne Posted March 10, 2014 Report Share Posted March 10, 2014 Cam, send Henward a pm - I am pretty sure he feeds massive and stuffs prawns etc for his aro Brutus. By the way, my tank didn't sell so shuffled plants around and today added 4 approx 4cm discus with more to come Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Godly3vil Posted March 10, 2014 Report Share Posted March 10, 2014 New thread time Adrienne. :spop: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
camtang Posted March 10, 2014 Author Report Share Posted March 10, 2014 New thread time Adrienne. :spop: +1 By the way, my tank didn't sell so shuffled plants around and today added 4 approx 4cm discus with more to come If it is half as nice as your last one, it will be tots amazeballs ( Sorry, I feal old today, so had to try and sound hip and young again). I am still envious of how nice your tank looked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
camtang Posted March 13, 2014 Author Report Share Posted March 13, 2014 I got my first Arowana yesterday. I have also decided to name the new fish in the tank so this is Lieutenant shiny sides: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
disgustipated Posted March 14, 2014 Report Share Posted March 14, 2014 Lieutenant shiny sides :slfg: did you name it, or did your kids name it? i wouldn't be surprised either way really this is gonna be an exciting tank. the aro looks nice, love them when they are small with their pink tails. how long is it now? take note i wanna know how fast it grows :spop: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
camtang Posted March 14, 2014 Author Report Share Posted March 14, 2014 I named it after this ... Stay tuned for other upcoming names when I get new fish :lar: At a guess 80mm, I still have not seen it eat yet :dunno: so Iam starting to get a little frustrated at it. I will make sure I keep you posted on groth, Henward has said expect an inch a month. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SanityChelle Posted March 14, 2014 Report Share Posted March 14, 2014 I've never seen a small aro! His eyes look too big for his body - so cute! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
camtang Posted March 14, 2014 Author Report Share Posted March 14, 2014 Super cute, my kids have not seen it yet, so I am looking forward to the first meeting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
camtang Posted March 16, 2014 Author Report Share Posted March 16, 2014 :happy2: I got the little blitter to eat pellets this morning. First time it has eaten since I have had it. :thup: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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