lotofish Posted February 1, 2013 Report Share Posted February 1, 2013 Please can someone help identify what these little animals are. My 3 kids and I have setup a small rocky shore (rock pool) tank so that we can get to learn about the animals we have on our door step. Their challenge is then to name what they catch and learn about them. Just yesterday my son found something with tubular shell formations on them and thought they would look great in the tank. They do look great especially when the little black feathers come out. Then the shrimp walk on them and they shoot back into their holes. Maintenance on the tank is simple. Every week at high tide we go and get 40L of sea water and go a water change. The tank has a 1200L/H canister and a hang-on protein skimmer. The animals are only kept in the tank if they are happy otherwise they go back to the same location they were found. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blueether Posted February 1, 2013 Report Share Posted February 1, 2013 Never seen a tubeworm that colour, Spirobranchus cariniferus? http://www.annelida.net/nz/Polychaeta/F ... iferus.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F15hguy Posted February 1, 2013 Report Share Posted February 1, 2013 Heaps of those around Tauranga how are you planning on feeding it??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
livingart Posted February 1, 2013 Report Share Posted February 1, 2013 http://www.reefkeepers.co.nz/forum/foru ... =46&t=1409 Blue Fanworm Spirobranchus cariniferus Difficulty: Easy. Description: White calcareous tube with small blue fans growing on hard surfaces. Tubes up to 40 mm total length, 3 mm width. Habitat: Intertidal. Rocky shore. Soft shore. Bays and sheltered beaches around N.Z. coast. Temperament: Peaceful., how stroppy can a tube worm be? Minimun Tank Size: 100 litres. Tank Age / Maturity: At least 6 months Diet: Filter-feeder, coral foods, crushed flake and mussel and newly hatched Brine shrimp. Special Requirements: Incompatibilities: http://www.reefkeepers.co.nz/forum/foru ... m.php?f=46 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lotofish Posted February 1, 2013 Author Report Share Posted February 1, 2013 Thank you livingart Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rabid Posted February 2, 2013 Report Share Posted February 2, 2013 shouldnt you be careful about returning sea creatures to the wild? just in case you introduce something from your tank? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lotofish Posted February 3, 2013 Author Report Share Posted February 3, 2013 shouldnt you be careful about returning sea creatures to the wild? just in case you introduce something from your tank? Everything in the tank is from the sea including the water so I expect that they can be safely returned to the sea. Obviously I won't return them if any of them a sick. So far they are ok and seem to be feeding. I am feeding them on coral food, specifically ReefPearls which is for filter feeders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ira Posted February 3, 2013 Report Share Posted February 3, 2013 Everything in the tank is from the sea including the water so I expect that they can be safely returned to the sea. Obviously I won't return them if any of them a sick. So far they are ok and seem to be feeding. I am feeding them on coral food, specifically ReefPearls which is for filter feeders. Generally bad practice to return anything to the wild regardless of if you think it hasn't been exposed to anything new. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lotofish Posted February 3, 2013 Author Report Share Posted February 3, 2013 fair enough :thup: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gannet Posted February 3, 2013 Report Share Posted February 3, 2013 not to mention illegal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raeh1 Posted February 3, 2013 Report Share Posted February 3, 2013 I can't see the problem with having a local tank, and returning things and taking things from the sea to stock it. I think its great that if you realise its not doing well you'll return it. As long as legal MAF catch sizes are followed. ie no undersized snapper or crays, I do not see how you could introduce disease to the sea or how this would be illegal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F15hguy Posted February 4, 2013 Report Share Posted February 4, 2013 lets be honest, most "returned" items never survive..... Catch and release have average survival rates, hate to think what it would be if you tried acclimating them more than once. and tbh, how many "releases" are acclimated properly??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
livingart Posted February 4, 2013 Report Share Posted February 4, 2013 is that based on fact Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F15hguy Posted February 4, 2013 Report Share Posted February 4, 2013 the comment about returned animals is based on studies on Australian whiting which rate around the 90% - 60% depending on technique. have you ever run into a aquarium keeper down at the water slowly acclimating the stock back into the water??? most get poured in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ira Posted February 4, 2013 Report Share Posted February 4, 2013 the comment about returned animals is based on studies on Australian whiting which rate around the 90% - 60% depending on technique. have you ever run into a aquarium keeper down at the water slowly acclimating the stock back into the water??? most get poured in. Have you ever run into a knowledgable, responsible aquarium keeper down at the water doing either of those two? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
livingart Posted February 4, 2013 Report Share Posted February 4, 2013 :rolfl: last one i ran into was used for burley Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lotofish Posted February 5, 2013 Author Report Share Posted February 5, 2013 It has been very interesting reading the responses to my post especially the assumptions that have been made around capture and release. I want to make it clear that our intentions are to create an environment in which the aquatic animals we have caught are happy and thriving so they do not need to be returned. This means taking great care in the capture and subsequent release into the aquarium feeding to right foods, good maintenance, suitable equipment and creating a natural habitat. This is also an educational experience for my kids who like many walk along our shores not knowing what is under their feet, or disturb creatures under rocks or in pools with uninformed interest. Today I decided to clear up the assumptions and guessing by contacting Fisheries and Biosecurity from Ministry of Primary Industries. Firstly according to the Auckland fisheries department there are no issues capturing crabs, shrimp, starfish, gobies, fan worms or anemone for a private aquarium as long as you are within the daily limits and they are not from a protected reserve. I can’t see that our 100L aquarium could sustain 50 crabs. There are no size restrictions on what we have caught so far. Details around releasing these animals back to their habitats were a little more difficult to get. First I was referred to Biosecurity by Fisheries who could not give me a definitive answer and then I was referred back to Fisheries by Biosecurity who also could not give me a definitive answer. It did not appear to be illegal to return the fan worms or any of the animals name above to the sea as long as it was done responsibly. Since one of the aims of this little project is to teach responsibility I would disagree with the mortality rate suggested because we would take great care returning any animal from our aquarium back to the sea. Much the same as we fish keepers would in introducing new aquatic animals to our aquariums. Being a fishkeeper for 25 years I think I have that covered. I have also sifted through the MPI and DOC web sites this evening and can’t find anything to suggest that our little project is breaking any regulations. Although I spoke to 3 people today from relevant government departments they did not fill me with much confidence so in closing, if anyone has some hard facts about regulations on capturing crabs, shrimp, starfish, gobies, fan worms or anemone for a private aquarium please provide details. Here is some more picture of our little Rocky Shore habitat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marinefish4life Posted February 5, 2013 Report Share Posted February 5, 2013 nice goby Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
livingart Posted February 5, 2013 Report Share Posted February 5, 2013 good post lotofish size limits and "taking to sell" are only regulations if your weeds start to disintegrate take them out from reefkeepers.co.nz act regarding marine reserves http://www.seafriends.org.nz/issues/res/mra71.htm fisheries act quota species Species code Name TACC (kg)[3] ANC Anchovy 560,000 ANG Freshwater eels 420,150 BAR Barracouta 32,672,461 BCO Blue cod 2,681,496 BIG Bigeye tuna 714,000 BNS Bluenose 2,335,000 BUT Butterfish 162,000 BWS Blue shark 1,860,000 BYA Frilled venus shell 16,000 BYX Alfonsino 2,995,700 CDL Cardinalfish 2,548,000 CHC Red crab 48,000 COC Cockle 3,214,000 CRA Spiny red rock lobster 2,792,839 DAN Ringed dosinia 203,000 DSU Silky dosinia 8,000 ELE Elephant fish 1,283,500 EMA Blue mackerel 11,550,000 FLA Flatfish 5,418,800 FRO Frostfish 4,019,000 GAR Garfish 50,000 GLM Green-lipped mussel 1,720,000 GMU Grey mullet 1,005,601 GSC Giant spider crab 419,000 GSH Ghost shark 3,012,000 GSP Pale ghost shark 1,780,000 GUR Gurnard 5,181,187 HAK Hake 13,211,143 HOK Hoki 120,010,000 HOR Horse mussel 29,000 HPB Hapuku and bass 2,181,600 JDO John dory 1,140,400 JMA Jack mackerel 60,547,234 KAH Kahawai 2,728,000 KBB Bladder kelp 1,509,600 KIC King crab 90,000 KIN Kingfish 200,000 KWH Knobbed whelk 67,000 LDO Lookdown dory 783,000 LEA Leatherjacket 1,431,000 LFE Long-finned eel 82,000 LIN Ling 22,226,000 MAK Mako shark 406,000 MDI Trough shell 160,000 MMI Large trough shell 180,000 MOK Blue moki 608,112 MOO Moonfish 527,000 OEO Oreo 18,860,000 ORH Orange roughy 8,221,000 OYS Dredge oyster 15,544,000 PAD Paddle crab 765,000 PAR Parore 84,000 PAU Paua 1,058,499 PDO Deepwater tuatua 629,000 PHC Packhorse rock lobster 40,300 PIL Pilchard 2,485,000 POR Porae 71,000 POS Porbeagle 215,000 PPI Pipi 204,000 PRK Prawn killer 36,000 PTO Patagonian toothfish 49,500 PZL Deepwater clam 31,500 QSC Queen scallop 380,000 RBM Ray's bream 980,000 RBT Redbait 5,050,000 RBY Ruby fish 812,000 RCO Red cod 8,278,385 RIB Ribaldo 1664,000 RSK Rough skate 1,986,000 RSN Red snapper 146,000 SAE Triangle shell 725,000 SBW Southern blue whiting 43,408,000 SCA Scallop 841,000 SCC Sea cucumber 35,000 SCH School shark 3,436,100 SCI Scampi 1,291,000 SFE Short-finned eel 347,000 SKI Gemfish 1,060,394 SNA Snapper 6,357,300 SPD Spiny dogfish 12,660,000 SPE Sea perch 2,170,000 SPO Rig 1,919,064 SPR Sprats 450,000 SQU Arrow squid 127,332,381 SSK Smooth skate 849,000 STA Stargazer 5,456,400 STN Southern bluefin tuna 413,000 SUR Kina 1,147,000 SWA Silver warehou 1,0380,201 SWO Swordfish 885,000 TAR Tarakihi 6,439,173 TOR Pacific bluefin tuna 116,000 TRE Trevally 3,933,103 TRU Trumpeter 144,000 TUA Tuatua 43,000 WAR Blue warehou 4,512,358 WWA White warehou 3,735,000 YEM Yellow-eyed mullet 68,000 YFN Yellowfin tuna moratorium so leave the whale sharks out of your tank for now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lotofish Posted February 9, 2013 Author Report Share Posted February 9, 2013 It has been a week now and those little Blue Fan Worms are doing well. They must be loving the ReefPearl because they come out like cheering football fans when I put it in. Another little fellow comes out at feeding time with his long setae (feathery hair or bristle-like structures) and starts combing through the water. Its my Porcelain crab. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F15hguy Posted February 9, 2013 Report Share Posted February 9, 2013 that is an awesome tank, lots of kewl things Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lotofish Posted February 14, 2013 Author Report Share Posted February 14, 2013 Oh I do love to live by the sea side :dnc1: Oh I do love to live by the sea side :happy2: And one more time Oh I do love to live by the sea side :happy1: Oh I do love to live by the sea side :slfg: And the 32nd verse the same as the first Oh I do love to live by the sea side :f77: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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