Bubblebum Posted May 15, 2012 Report Share Posted May 15, 2012 Hi Friends, Do any of you know a breeder or seller of genuine ENDLER guppies? If you do I would love to hear from you please. I'm totally in love with these little cuties but can't find any!!! Also looking for some albino guppies that are nz bred, I don't want to risk putting in imported fish with my beautiful nz bred community fish. I have heard too many horror story's & decided not to take the risk. Thanks heaps, I hope to hear from you real soon :thup: Have a happy week, Bubblebum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trinox Posted May 15, 2012 Report Share Posted May 15, 2012 Hey, check this out, http://www.trademe.co.nz/pets-animals/fish/fish/tropical-fish/auction-474027610.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twinkles Posted May 15, 2012 Report Share Posted May 15, 2012 that person needs to have their auctions pulled, they're trying to pass off mixed guppies as endlers and with the price tag to match. I'd love some true endlers or similar looking guppies too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caryl Posted May 15, 2012 Report Share Posted May 15, 2012 Do we actually have true endlers in NZ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twinkles Posted May 15, 2012 Report Share Posted May 15, 2012 I don't think so, could be though? The best i've seen is very endler-looking wild-type guppies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ira Posted May 15, 2012 Report Share Posted May 15, 2012 Do we actually have true endlers in NZ? From what I've read there's a pretty good chance noone in the world has true endlers. Likely all in the hobby are hybridized with guppies and the wild ones have been wiped out. So you'd just trying to get the most endlerish guppies or least guppyish endlers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myfishybuisness Posted May 16, 2012 Report Share Posted May 16, 2012 From what I've read there's a pretty good chance noone in the world has true endlers. Likely all in the hobby are hybridized with guppies and the wild ones have been wiped out. So you'd just trying to get the most endlerish guppies or least guppyish endlers. that is true, as people kept the 2 species together, they cross breed and now no pure endlers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaSa Posted May 16, 2012 Report Share Posted May 16, 2012 No (pure) Endler in NZ. Redwood Aquatics in ChCh had some Tiger Endler (which is a cross between a galaxy guppy short tail male and a endlers female) a while ago. They looked pretty good but still not 100% pure. Was too late to source some from them The only way to get 100% Endler is from AdrianHD over in USA. He collects them himselfe and keeps them in his fish room that holds 500 tanks + an army of drums: Source of images = Click Another source is Phil in France. He collects Endler himselfe every now and then and is a great source for Endler in Europe. All the rest (AquaBid & PetShops) are not to be trusted... If anyone knows a transshipper for NZ or someone with a Quarantine Room is interested, I would be keen to spend a fair bit of money to get some strain over to us. Please PM me if you can help with that matter... Cheers, JaSa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackworm Posted May 27, 2012 Report Share Posted May 27, 2012 Used to see these every now and then in Aus. Absoloutely tiny and not much variation between individuals at all. Mostly imported stock. Tiny bodies (smaller even than the inbred thai guppies) and very strong colours (crosses tend to look washed out) are the real give aways. Can't say what the availability over here is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flatfish Posted May 27, 2012 Report Share Posted May 27, 2012 I have some 'Endlers' from Redwoods. They are a great looking fish, some with 'typical' Endler looking patterns, others with the tiger patterning which is impressive. I'm in the process of breeding them up so it will be a while before I have any available. The ones on the TradeMe lisiting are at best very poor 'Endler' crosses and are not worth buying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bubblebum Posted May 29, 2012 Author Report Share Posted May 29, 2012 Hi there, Many thanks to all who replied to my question, thanks also for the photo's....What an amazing set up! How great would it be to go and visit that breeding room!?!? :nfs: Okay so endlers are possibly a fish of the past, how sad as they look simply stunning! Have a great day peoples :thup: Bubblebum x Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ange_AJMS Posted June 10, 2012 Report Share Posted June 10, 2012 I have a couple of endler guppies that I purchased from Redwood Aquarium that I am breeding. Not sure if they are pure, they said they were. If anyone can tell me then I could look at selling the fry later. Sorry pics not the best Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaSa Posted June 11, 2012 Report Share Posted June 11, 2012 Hi Ange_AJMS The first picture is a Blackbar Endler Hybrid. Easy to spot on the snakes skin pattern in the dorsal fin. Pure Endler no snake skin, mosaik or anything like that. Second picture is a so called "Tiger Endler" which is a cross between a galaxy guppy and a female Endler. So both are no pure Endler - but nice fish without a question JaSa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ange_AJMS Posted June 11, 2012 Report Share Posted June 11, 2012 Hi Ange_AJMS The first picture is a Blackbar Endler Hybrid. Easy to spot on the snakes skin pattern in the dorsal fin. Pure Endler no snake skin, mosaik or anything like that. Second picture is a so called "Tiger Endler" which is a cross between a galaxy guppy and a female Endler. So both are no pure Endler - but nice fish without a question JaSa Thank you JaSa for that information, I now know what I am looking for :thup: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flatfish Posted June 11, 2012 Report Share Posted June 11, 2012 Nice fish. They look to the ones I got from Redwoods and presumably from the same import. I have the tiger pattern and fish that look a little more Endler like. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ange_AJMS Posted June 11, 2012 Report Share Posted June 11, 2012 Nice fish. They look to the ones I got from Redwoods and presumably from the same import. I have the tiger pattern and fish that look a little more Endler like. Do you have a photo of the endler? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flatfish Posted June 12, 2012 Report Share Posted June 12, 2012 I'll take a few pics this weekend. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ange_AJMS Posted June 13, 2012 Report Share Posted June 13, 2012 I'll take a few pics this weekend. :thup: thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devon Posted June 14, 2012 Report Share Posted June 14, 2012 soooooo where can I buy a trio of these? Tiger endler looks amazing! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ange_AJMS Posted June 14, 2012 Report Share Posted June 14, 2012 soooooo where can I buy a trio of these? Tiger endler looks amazing! I have some "growing out" at present, just need to try to determine females into endler & guppy, silly me had them in same tank :oops: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaSa Posted June 14, 2012 Report Share Posted June 14, 2012 Depending on the guppy strain you have, you wont be able to tell the difference. Not without testing them against a Tiger Endler male and check the offspring in F1 anyway. Hybridization is the biggest danger / issue with Endler's. That's why we only have watered down versions around. Especially with a Tiger Endler, which is already a Hybrid. Doesn't need much to loose the few Endler genes this strain has. I don't want to be rude or anything but giving away these (un-tested) females as Endler wouldn't be fair... JaSa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ange_AJMS Posted June 15, 2012 Report Share Posted June 15, 2012 I don't want to be rude or anything but giving away these (un-tested) females as Endler wouldn't be fair... JaSa I see your point, I do have one endler female (according to redwood aquarium) that is in with 2 guppy females, so I will separate her so that future females should hopefully be endlers to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaSa Posted June 16, 2012 Report Share Posted June 16, 2012 Redwood wont import any more Endler-Hybrids by the sounds of it Even more important to keep the existing strains pure ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flatfish Posted June 17, 2012 Report Share Posted June 17, 2012 I took a couple of poor pics. I haven't got a small enough phototank so they were taken a glass. They look very similar to yours Ange_AJMS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaSa Posted June 17, 2012 Report Share Posted June 17, 2012 Yup, same kind of hybrids. First three (very poor) Blackbar-Hybrids with not much Endler in them anymore and the last picture typical Tiger-Endler-Hybrid. Cheers, JaSa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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