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Juwel Vision 450L Marine - what would you do?


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So I got a call from EQC saying they're processing my claim (yay). I have about $5000 worth of tanks they're paying out on and I've decided I want to switch from freshwater to marine.

I've got a Juwel trigon 350 and a Juwel trigon 180 already, both are freshwater killie tanks. I'll keep them. To keep the look going, I'd like to get a Juwel vision 450 tank with my EQC money and set that up marine.

So since this will be my first real venture into marine and I've got a bit of money to splash on it, what would people recommend purchasing to do so. I could spend more than $5k, I am getting more than that from EQC, so money isn't so much of an object in this case.

Ideally I'd like to keep the elegant design of the Juwel tanks and I'd rather not drill the glass if I can help it. Thinking I'll have to go with a HOB skimmer of some sort that doesn't look too bad.

Trigon 350 (350L) looks like this:

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Vision 450 (450L) looks like this:

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Ideally I'd like to keep the elegant design of the Juwel tanks and I'd rather not drill the glass if I can help it. Thinking I'll have to go with a HOB skimmer of some sort that doesn't look too bad.

Elegant design and HOB skimmer is a bit of an oxymoron IMO. I'd seriously reconsider going for a Juwel tank, the options with glass are unlimited and having a sump is almost essential if you're going reef (again, IMO).

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Elegant design and HOB skimmer is a bit of an oxymoron IMO. I'd seriously reconsider going for a Juwel tank, the options with glass are unlimited and having a sump is almost essential if you're going reef (again, IMO).

I've had regular glass tanks before, I just don't like them as much. The Juwel's look awesome and I already have 2. I just don't think I'd like it as much if it was a plain glass tank. Then there is the stand etc too.

Maybe I could get it drilled, Bob's pricing on the tanks is a bit expensive though compared to others.

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Custom tank - you pick the size for your viewing pleasure

Custom sump - store as much equipment as you can fit, expand your water volume & stability

Custom stand - will look far better than many of the complete stand / tank / hood setups available in NZ

In my opinion those jewel units are so dated, and do not suit a modern environment. Build a piece of art to suit your lounge, unless its also really dated?

:digH:

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Custom tank - you pick the size for your viewing pleasure

Custom sump - store as much equipment as you can fit, expand your water volume & stability

Custom stand - will look far better than many of the complete stand / tank / hood setups available in NZ

In my opinion those jewel units are so dated, and do not suit a modern environment. Build a piece of art to suit your lounge, unless its also really dated?

:digH:

I don't own my own house, so can't build one to suit.

Already have asked Bob, he's about $600 more than other places for the tank alone without any modifications. Maybe he'd do a deal on the works, I'll ask.

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the red sea max isnt due here for at least another 8 - 12 months and will cost upwards of 6k according to our rep.

ever thought of the aqua reef 400 by aqua one, much cheaper than the juwel and look very much the same give or take a few details and its all set ready to go.

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I've considered the other tanks, but I already have Juwel tanks and I love them. I've never really been that impressed with the look of the red sea max tanks. I've asked for prices on the 500L and so far people think it will be around the $7000 - $8000 mark.

OK so assuming I will have the Juwel .. and I might drill it, what gear would people recommend using? Skimmers, sump design, pumps, wave makers etc.

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There used to be an estimate of approx $15 per litre to equip a marine tank...

Gear wise I would go Deltec or Reef Octopus for skimmers and Tunze for streams and controllers, but that is just my opinion.

I can afford $15 / L.

I lost a lot of tanks, my EQC cheque is pretty decent. Replacing them all with just 1 tank.

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good on you for willing to spend the money!

like most hardcore marine people will know that this is not a cheap hobby from setting up, maintaining, live stock...etc

Drilling and sumping is highly recommended but the only thing is that the juwel cabinet isnt the biggest so your sump design will be limited. Brands that i would recommend would be deltec, tunze, ecotech vortech

take it slow, do alot of research and have fun

good luck

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i would definitely do some research on pumps/skimmers etc and ask on here before making big purchases. With that sort of money to drop on a setup it will be a great setup if done right. I would suggest buying decent quality equipment so that it lasts and does the job properly. Cant wait to see it all setup and running!

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Hang on the back are a compromise, deltec are good, but look at the Bubble Magnus - trick skimmers at a very good price - if you can fit them in the sump.

Tunze, ecotech are again great brands, but again look around depending on budget.

Not too long ago, i would have agreed, but I have had and know of issues with these "high end" brands and the rise in the quality and technology of other brands have definitely made them a viable option.

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Thanks. Yesterday I got my notification that the EQC cheque is in the mail. If I really really had to, I can spend up to $10k on this. I'd prefer to keep it around the $6k region though.

I've been speaking with some people about the Aqua One skimmers. I know Aqua One is normally considered to be a cheap option, but the 5 people I've talked to say they have no problems with them and they do a great job, they wouldn't consider a more expensive one now.

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Thanks. Yesterday I got my notification that the EQC cheque is in the mail. If I really really had to, I can spend up to $10k on this. I'd prefer to keep it around the $6k region though.

I've been speaking with some people about the Aqua One skimmers. I know Aqua One is normally considered to be a cheap option, but the 5 people I've talked to say they have no problems with them and they do a great job, they wouldn't consider a more expensive one now.

Not so sure if id put aqua one and marine in the same sentence. What is the cost of one of their skimmers?

As Puttputt mentioned have a look at bubble magus on http://www.deepblueaquarium.co.nz, they are a quality skimmer at a very good price. Ive had 3 myself with various setups and not 1 problem with any of them. If there are specialised marine shops in Christchurch id recommend taking a look around there and having a chat with them reg a setup.

For a decent 4foot setup id recommend a budget of 3-4k. That includes live rock too. Have a look around on the forums there are always people breaking down tanks and swapping out equipment / live & dead rock.

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Not so sure if id put aqua one and marine in the same sentence. What is the cost of one of their skimmers?

As Puttputt mentioned have a look at bubble magus on http://www.deepblueaquarium.co.nz, they are a quality skimmer at a very good price. Ive had 3 myself with various setups and not 1 problem with any of them. If there are specialised marine shops in Christchurch id recommend taking a look around there and having a chat with them reg a setup.

For a decent 4foot setup id recommend a budget of 3-4k. That includes live rock too. Have a look around on the forums there are always people breaking down tanks and swapping out equipment / live & dead rock.

I agree, I wouldn't normally consider them. However, I was told HFF run them on their marine setups. HFF have also advertised them here yesterday and had a reply from someone saying they were good.

Talking around $300 mark for on Aqua One G224 which is 1850L/hr.

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hands down i would go with a bubble magus over a aqua one, to tell you the truth i wouldn't even consider one for a marine setup. like its been said before have a look at the BM range of skimmers, or the newer model Reef Octopus stuff any of these would much better than the aqua one range. last time i was in at HFF im sure they were using a deltec skimmer but its been awhile

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