lduncan Posted February 9, 2005 Report Share Posted February 9, 2005 I where did he say that continual dosing is beneficial? Where did I say he was wrong? Layton Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetskisteve Posted February 9, 2005 Author Report Share Posted February 9, 2005 Need work on my photo skills but heres a couple Got some nice cultured acros due out soon. !!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wasp Posted February 10, 2005 Report Share Posted February 10, 2005 Way Cool! So how do I actually get to buy one of these? I think my tank is ready Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RnB Posted February 10, 2005 Report Share Posted February 10, 2005 funny how many acros are imported and so few are ever seen in the shops....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lduncan Posted February 10, 2005 Report Share Posted February 10, 2005 You should ask you're lfs then. It's not like they don't have the opportunity to buy them. Layton Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wasp Posted February 10, 2005 Report Share Posted February 10, 2005 Thanks for the useful info Layton. Seems like I learn something new every day! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RnB Posted February 10, 2005 Report Share Posted February 10, 2005 layton.... why would I do that, seems like quite a few are for sale right here....... I like the green one ..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lduncan Posted February 10, 2005 Report Share Posted February 10, 2005 I don't think we need to start this again. And don't complain about not seeing them is shops then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetskisteve Posted February 10, 2005 Author Report Share Posted February 10, 2005 Keep yr eyes open Layton now there's a more reliable supplier around. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RnB Posted February 10, 2005 Report Share Posted February 10, 2005 RnB ducts into a doorway, looks up and down the mainstreet which is suddenly very deserted.... someone better get the law, I can feel a shoot out coming. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RnB Posted February 10, 2005 Report Share Posted February 10, 2005 zeobac i know its a gradual dosing system, but do you ever stop? I mean I really do understand equalibrium and evenually the little bits of bac you are adding would logically do no good as you would already have an established colony of the stuff.... Peter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lduncan Posted February 10, 2005 Report Share Posted February 10, 2005 It does stop. after a couple of weeks of adding new zeolite. There is a recommendation in the new guide for dosing less frequently after this period. In all reality a one off dose is all that is needed to seed the tank. Because of the nature and speed that bacteria reproduce, adding a small amount daily will have little influence on final populations. And ultimately the tank conditions determine the populations size and growth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reef Posted February 10, 2005 Report Share Posted February 10, 2005 Keep yr eyes open Layton now there's a more reliable supplier around. Steve you are a drip. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetskisteve Posted February 10, 2005 Author Report Share Posted February 10, 2005 :roll: I knew you couldnt resist I'm looking for the smiley face that cries Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lduncan Posted February 10, 2005 Report Share Posted February 10, 2005 Steve take a look here http://www.fnzas.org.nz/fishroom/viewtopic.php?t=3805 The 8th point on the list. Posts with the intent of “creating a reaction†are not welcome here. Put you're spoon away. Layton Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetskisteve Posted February 10, 2005 Author Report Share Posted February 10, 2005 Stop wasting my time just keep an i out if you want nice corals Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lduncan Posted February 10, 2005 Report Share Posted February 10, 2005 you mean "eye"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetskisteve Posted February 10, 2005 Author Report Share Posted February 10, 2005 sorry LZEE tipist Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wasp Posted February 10, 2005 Report Share Posted February 10, 2005 Peter, Funny Post :lol: On the zeobac thing, dosing is continuous. When starting, it is dosed daily, and this is reduced after time. In a few months when nutrients are very low, dosing can be reduced considerably, but cannot be stopped altogether. If it is, browning of the corals may occur. The amount to be dosed can be gauged in part by the appearance of the corals. That is based on the manufacturers directions. Some on this board may think they have a better understanding of the zeovit system than the manufacturer does, but if it is someone who tried it and failed, I'd treat their advice with caution. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lduncan Posted February 10, 2005 Report Share Posted February 10, 2005 You think the manufacturer has an understanding of how the system works? If they did they wouldn't be selling a product with the following warnings. Nor would they be changing the recommended dosages every few weeks. zeovit High water flow through the media in already stocked tanks especially during the start up of this system has shown to cause slow tissue loss in SPS corals." excessive amounts of ZEOvit could have a negative effect of SPS corals and lead to tissue necrosis and therefore coral death. zeobak Our experience has shown that constant excessive overdosing can lead to tissue loss from the base especially in weak corals and corals that are already damaged. Over dosage in a nutrient poor environment leads to a darkening of the coral tissue. zeostart ... loss of coral tissue from the tips, or a slow progressing tissue loss from the base ... as well as a complete loss of all tissue in certain corals during your tanks dark period. Another indicator is the fast tissue loss of an entire coral branch over a short period of time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wasp Posted February 10, 2005 Report Share Posted February 10, 2005 You think the manufacturer has an understanding of how the system works? . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lduncan Posted February 10, 2005 Report Share Posted February 10, 2005 What makes you think that? Everything i've read gives me no confidence that he does. Layton Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wasp Posted February 10, 2005 Report Share Posted February 10, 2005 Best I can tell, your problem seems to be that the manufacturer has given specific warnings as to the consequences of overdosing, as per your previous post. Don't see how this equals the manufacturer does not understand his own product. To me, warning about overdosing is what any responsible manufacturer of a quality product would do. However, if you believe you understand the product better than the manufacturer, I will not argue with you. No point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lduncan Posted February 11, 2005 Report Share Posted February 11, 2005 However, if you believe you understand the product better than the manufacturer Luckily I have never said that. Also, these warnings were not around 2 years ago, and the dosing recommendations were higher. Which leads me to believe that the manufacturer does not know what is going on with his own product, because clearly "overdosing" happens when used as directed. The manufacturer can not determine how much overdosing actually is (I presume due to lack of knowledge on how the system works), and uses the fact that corals receding and bleaching as an indicator to overdosing. Then refining the dosing scheme based on this experience. Then the question is, what causes this sudden loss of tissue. The explanation they provide is rubbish. Layton Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wasp Posted February 11, 2005 Report Share Posted February 11, 2005 Luckily I have never said that. Layton Quite frankly Thomas Pohl is the last person you should have blind trust in. His livelihood depends on his product. I on the other hand have no financial interest in the product either way. Layton Which leads me to believe that the manufacturer does not know what is going on with his own product, Layton We seem to have a contradiction here. You apparently believe you know more than Thomas Pohl because he is a professional who derives his living from coral farming and selling zeovit, whereas you derive no income from farming corals or selling zeovit. I think that Thomas Pohl in fact knows more than you for precisely the same reasons. In fact, to be a little blunt, I really do not think it is worth wasting further bandwidth arguing who knows more, you or Thomas Pohl. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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