phoenix44 Posted January 1, 2011 Report Share Posted January 1, 2011 I've always had Lancelotas, and now I have the Black Whiptails EX Phil Collis. Not sure what they really are but I have 2 females and a male. Here's pics and comparison. Female- Male- 'Black' vs. Lancelota- The difference is apparent. Any hints to ID? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Navarre Posted January 1, 2011 Report Share Posted January 1, 2011 Not sure on ID but happy to have some down my way when you breed them lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rabbit Posted January 1, 2011 Report Share Posted January 1, 2011 Pics 1 and 2 are Hemiloricaria Lanceolate, the whip pic 3 on the right is Rineloricaria Parva or simillar (common Whiptail). Lucky you beat me to those Lanceolate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phoenix44 Posted January 1, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 1, 2011 Pic 3 on the right is rineloricaria lanceolata. Def not parva. rineloricaria lanceolata that I have are the same ones I get eggs from all the time. posted a thread a while on PP too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rabbit Posted January 1, 2011 Report Share Posted January 1, 2011 This is H. Lanceolata photo by I. seidel, The true Black tail whiptail is Hemiloricaria Nigricauda which your fish clearly are'nt. After looking through the above whiptail book it appears there are two sp within the name and a handfull of variants which both your whips can fall in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joshlikesfish Posted January 1, 2011 Report Share Posted January 1, 2011 This identifying stuff is a nightmare :lol: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phoenix44 Posted January 4, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 4, 2011 After looking through the above whiptail book it appears there are two sp within the name and a handfull of variants which both your whips can fall in. I won't dare ask hahahha. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rabbit Posted January 4, 2011 Report Share Posted January 4, 2011 Agreed :lol: I wouldn't say its the simplest Family to muck around with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BikBok Posted January 5, 2011 Report Share Posted January 5, 2011 wow your "Black whiptails" are a lot darker than mine (also from p Collis) I don't have a fantastic camera, but here's my guy (am sure it's male) for comparison. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malevolentsparkle Posted January 5, 2011 Report Share Posted January 5, 2011 reminds me of the problem with my old 'regal' whiptail. be dammed if i could identify him. now just to find a female for my 'royal'.... boy i hate common names. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phoenix44 Posted January 22, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 22, 2011 Got more pics as I did a WC today. Male had been sitting on eggs for 8 days and then something went through and destroyed the nest and ate the eggs. 10th times a charm :facepalm: :tears: Manual mode on my camera. Wish I had made it brighter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tropheus Posted January 22, 2011 Report Share Posted January 22, 2011 Sweet Pics. Photos are good enough for my Wallpaper :happy2: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phoenix44 Posted January 23, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 23, 2011 Cheers! Been playing with the settings on my camera for a few days now! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted February 5, 2011 Report Share Posted February 5, 2011 Pics 1 and 2 are Hemiloricaria Lanceolate, the whip pic 3 on the right is Rineloricaria Parva or simillar (common Whiptail). Lucky you beat me to those Lanceolate Pic 3 on the right is rineloricaria lanceolata. Def not parva. rineloricaria lanceolata that I have are the same ones I get eggs from all the time. posted a thread a while on PP too. I'm confused - there is a Hemiloricaria lanceolata, and a Rineloricaria lanceolata as well, and they are both Whiptails, with a different genus name, but the same species name (lanceolata)? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phoenix44 Posted February 8, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 8, 2011 Rabbit is probably the more educated one to ask. Mr pleco might be able to give more insight as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
new zealand discus man Posted February 15, 2011 Report Share Posted February 15, 2011 Rineloricaria lanceolata ...........Thats the New latin name..Old going back years ago also was Ancistrus.spp That took in all in the family....So many name changes as they regroup fish.. They came wild fish from the Amazon via Peru..The name as thrown around all of NZ as R Lanceolata My research shows them to be bigger so i have always follow peru name as R...Black as beleive they were a new find in the wild... Think MAF to have followed that name... They are due to breed and time again and just 2 young left at about 3 cm.... Cheers Phill Collis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted February 15, 2011 Report Share Posted February 15, 2011 So Hemiloricaria is no longer valid? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
new zealand discus man Posted February 15, 2011 Report Share Posted February 15, 2011 Correct....Phill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rabbit Posted February 16, 2011 Report Share Posted February 16, 2011 Incorrect!......... Rineloricaria Lanceolata is no more, it is in fact Hemiloricaria Lanceolata formerly misplaced/called Rineloricaria. Rineloricaria Genus, contained species: http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/genus.php?genus_id=43 Hemiloricaria Genus, cotained species: http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/genus.php?genus_id=405#1745 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted February 16, 2011 Report Share Posted February 16, 2011 Thanks Rabbit Wow all those species are really cool! What are all the species of whiptails that we have in NZ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phoenix44 Posted February 16, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 16, 2011 That's incorrect Phil. What we are trying to do is ascertain what these fish actually are and not what may have been accepted as a valid name for import purposes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BikBok Posted February 16, 2011 Report Share Posted February 16, 2011 I can't see anything that looks quite like our black whiptails.. which one is it supposed to be or most closely resembles from the links above? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
new zealand discus man Posted February 16, 2011 Report Share Posted February 16, 2011 Hi Just because someone again changes name and planetcatfish show listings...If in deed are registered as this....Forget it as MAF here will not accept the new name till changes are made to the permitted list... Could be years ago going by the past.. But as you saw the Peru was listed as that...Not lancelota and thats what this is really all about.. In fact i have 18 Pairs and have breed about 200 and are all over nz and if breeding secrets are not know then ..Well a long time to catch on...Cheers And good fish keeping...Enough about this any way...Phill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phoenix44 Posted February 16, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 16, 2011 Are you ever willing to learn off someone else? I mean, I'm a stubborn person by nature, but by jeepers man! Even I'm willing to learn something new! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
new zealand discus man Posted February 16, 2011 Report Share Posted February 16, 2011 Actually ill teach you something...If you had bothered to look at where the listing on planetcatfish came from you will find that he listed them under the latin family of...Take note............Loricariidae...........You can change sub names all you like but note the true latin family.............I have been in fish for over 45 years and most of the new additions on the MAF list came from me after about 90 hours of work with no thanks....... What i also want to know is why ever time i give a view it turns into world war three..........I was the importer remember ...........Why do you think i dont bother listing here for sale as to my problems............P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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