evil_elmo Posted September 29, 2010 Report Share Posted September 29, 2010 Hi Phil, I see your photos and first i suggest you put your water light a bit down otherwise it's easily to drop eye. Then i suggest put a super white 10000K on top with a your water light. You may knew that is very nice when you turn on your water light but a super white 10000K will help your fish get more red like blood when you turn off all the light in day time. If you want to change your light: TFC water light and Yulong Red Aro specialist are my suggestion. Yulong is too hard to bring to NZ because it's very easy to damage. I have 1 for red and 1 for gold. I will send you some photo and you will see didferent. yes we have changed the tank setup as you suggested, lowered the underwater light and removed the gravel we will look for some 10k T5 tubes thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phoenix44 Posted September 29, 2010 Report Share Posted September 29, 2010 I'd like to know the scientific reasoning behind drop eye? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henward Posted September 29, 2010 Report Share Posted September 29, 2010 yeah me too, silvers tend to get it the most. Blacks not as mucha dn asian probably less thans ilvers and black aros. curious too. some say tis fatty tissue, some say its habit, some say its cos the aro looks at bottom of the tank. then my rtg should have it, there is plenty of things to look at at teh bottom i guess..... would be interesting... but i cant find any scientific info on it. Also, why is it that you remove gravel in your tank? you can use dark gravel - i dont like the look of bare tanks personally. light also reflects from bare bottom tankis which can brighten up the tank and the underbelly of the fish. maybe bare tanks make teh fish look up as the reflection may put them off, thus avoiding drop eye? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
007 Posted September 29, 2010 Author Report Share Posted September 29, 2010 yeah me too, silvers tend to get it the most. Blacks not as mucha dn asian probably less thans ilvers and black aros. curious too. some say tis fatty tissue, some say its habit, some say its cos the aro looks at bottom of the tank. then my rtg should have it, there is plenty of things to look at at teh bottom i guess..... would be interesting... but i cant find any scientific info on it. Also, why is it that you remove gravel in your tank? you can use dark gravel - i dont like the look of bare tanks personally. light also reflects from bare bottom tankis which can brighten up the tank and the underbelly of the fish. maybe bare tanks make teh fish look up as the reflection may put them off, thus avoiding drop eye? Why most aro keeper and fish farm use bare tank? Those people don't know it's nice to use dark gravel? The reason? Gravel, sand are hard to clean and also can bring many disease:scale protrusion, head hole, burn tail... Also for drop eye, you could 100% avoid drop eye. Silver aro more easy to drop eye but you still can avoid and fix it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henward Posted September 29, 2010 Report Share Posted September 29, 2010 yes i agree some gravel are harder to clean - i guess you can syphon the gravel whcih cleans it. bare tank is certainly more simple thast for sure, i guess i just like a more natural look. Fine gravel does nto retain much of any dirt underneath, something like silica sand i find keeps clean with enough fast moving bottom dwellers. as they eat they disturb and with the canisters pickign up debris. Planted tank would be good i reckon for an arowana. I dont think plants will be bad for arowana. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David R Posted September 29, 2010 Report Share Posted September 29, 2010 The reason? Gravel, sand are hard to clean and also can bring many disease:scale protrusion, head hole, burn tail... Unless you're using second hand (and wet) gravel from another tank its not going to introduce any diseases. Yes sand or gravel requires a little more work than bare bottom, but if your filtration is set up right it shouldn't cause any problems unless you're lazy when it comes to maintanence. I'd like to know the scientific reasoning behind drop eye? And I'd like to know the meaning of life. I don't think anyone really knows for sure, although there are a lot of theories floating around I doubt if there have ever been any proper scientific studies done. My theory is that its mostly to do with genetics and is/can be aggravated by environmental factors. Silvers are the most prone to DE by far, and are also the most heavily captive bred aro and have probably been bred rather unscrupulously because there haven't been any efforts to improve colour [as there is with asians], and also because in a pond environment the drop eye would be minimised. I believe that silvers are more genetically predisposed to it than other aros, and that factors like bright lights above the tank, poor diet, and high tanks can and will make it worse. There is a guy on MFK who has experimented with putting his large silvers in a pond over summer and IIRC he found that the DE improved after the time in the pond. If you compare their natural habitat with an aquarium its not hard to see why, they spend a large part of the year cruising through a flooded forrest with filtered light scanning the branches above the water for food. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henward Posted September 29, 2010 Report Share Posted September 29, 2010 yeah, makes me think too - are arowanas not bred in muddy ponds? i jsut realised that on my drive home. (shows how much of a nerd i am) anyway, arowanas are bred ifnot exclusively 99.9% in muddy ponds. ponds and mud from the natural source would harbour more bugs. when i get my substrate (except silica) i put it in the shower pumping hot water into it to kill bugs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lynnie Posted September 29, 2010 Report Share Posted September 29, 2010 Thanks so much to you all. re. aros. I personally have just the silver arowana. My pocket monet doesnt stretch to the wonderful range available in New zealand. Always good to get other comments on tank conditions. Please can you all post more pictures of your wonderful fish for us to gaze at and wish. cheers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
007 Posted September 29, 2010 Author Report Share Posted September 29, 2010 Thanks so much to you all. re. aros. I personally have just the silver arowana. My pocket monet doesnt stretch to the wonderful range available in New zealand. Always good to get other comments on tank conditions. Please can you all post more pictures of your wonderful fish for us to gaze at and wish. cheers I have tried, but i do know how to post pic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Fruju Posted October 5, 2010 Report Share Posted October 5, 2010 Speaking of expensive Asian aros, apart from henwards RTG, who else on the forum, or who do you know has one too? Snookie's got a green, DavidR sold his one, so thats only 2 I know of, and only a few jardini owners here too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David R Posted October 5, 2010 Report Share Posted October 5, 2010 Snookie had a green. There are others, but I'll let them decide if they want to make it public... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snookie Posted October 5, 2010 Report Share Posted October 5, 2010 I got another :roll: , second time lucky :bounce: , there is a few around just fish Forums arent for everyone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henward Posted October 5, 2010 Report Share Posted October 5, 2010 the only importer in nz, really i believe is 007. and he imports a handfull a year. someone has to buyt hem - these guys dont go on forums some of them im sure buy a few at a time. there aer a few out there, they just keep silent. which is kinda boring lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fruju Posted October 5, 2010 Report Share Posted October 5, 2010 .........lame, should show them off for others to enjoy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snookie Posted October 5, 2010 Report Share Posted October 5, 2010 the only importer in nz, really i believe is 007. and he imports a handfull a year. someone has to buyt hem - these guys dont go on forums some of them im sure buy a few at a time. there aer a few out there, they just keep silent. which is kinda boring lol I dont think he is the only importer of high grade Aro in nz , Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phoenix44 Posted October 5, 2010 Report Share Posted October 5, 2010 He is for reds and stuff. I'm sure the person you got your green from can get any thing you like as long as its paid for :lol: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snookie Posted October 5, 2010 Report Share Posted October 5, 2010 i still dont think he is the only importer of high grade arowana in nz , but never mind totally of topic ..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henward Posted October 5, 2010 Report Share Posted October 5, 2010 well, any options to other types of high grade aros are welcome to present themselves. I have been looking for importers of high grade aros - and only found him. steve also, but he is shy on importing more expensive ones due to demand. this dude tends to market direct to the market itself and thats how he sells them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David R Posted October 5, 2010 Report Share Posted October 5, 2010 I got another Awesome!! Good to see you didn't give up on it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henward Posted October 5, 2010 Report Share Posted October 5, 2010 yeah, giving up would be bad i went through a phase of 'i wanna seel up and give the hobby up' sold my faty albino bichir and ornate to living art..... and most ofm y fish then had major major regrets lol bought new ones again in a week!!! there are two types of fish keepers. ONe who keeps fish for life and other as a phase Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
livingart Posted October 5, 2010 Report Share Posted October 5, 2010 some just have continual phases Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henward Posted October 5, 2010 Report Share Posted October 5, 2010 yes true lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fruju Posted October 5, 2010 Report Share Posted October 5, 2010 So whens another delhezi hating phase coming along henward lol :roll: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henward Posted October 6, 2010 Report Share Posted October 6, 2010 lol i love those dels i swear, beef heart - pellets and a massive turn over of waterchange...... i fed them on massivores too for 4 months straight, nothign else but massivores when they were little. i got them from David actually! fed them massivores exclusively for 3 to 4 months, then switched to beef heart when they got big. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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