maoripho3nix Posted August 17, 2010 Report Share Posted August 17, 2010 New Tank = New Equipment = $$ gone haha Aquaone have heaters on special atm. When the new tank and sump is setup, the total water volume will be around 200-210L. What is the best method to go by of heating? Keeping in mind efficiency of heating and of cost of power. Is it better to use a heater that is rated above the w/pl....say a 300w for my setup? or run 2 heaters? My idea is, say a 200w will heat the volume of water, but will be on quite a bit. If I was to get 2 x 150w heaters, would they heat the water more efficiently concerning power? spreading the workload of heating? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joshlikesfish Posted August 17, 2010 Report Share Posted August 17, 2010 Just get a 300W Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ira Posted August 17, 2010 Report Share Posted August 17, 2010 New Tank = New Equipment = $$ gone haha Aquaone have heaters on special atm. When the new tank and sump is setup, the total water volume will be around 200-210L. What is the best method to go by of heating? Keeping in mind efficiency of heating and of cost of power. Is it better to use a heater that is rated above the w/pl....say a 300w for my setup? or run 2 heaters? My idea is, say a 200w will heat the volume of water, but will be on quite a bit. If I was to get 2 x 150w heaters, would they heat the water more efficiently concerning power? spreading the workload of heating? No, more heaters or less will not heat more or less efficiently. 100 watt hours of electricity will always get you 100 watts hours of heat(When using resistive heaters) The reason for using two heaters is redundancy if one fails and, if you have a relatively stagnant tank it will heat the water more evenly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
si_sphinx Posted August 17, 2010 Report Share Posted August 17, 2010 That is what i do and if one fails, there is the other to keep to temp up enough to keep your fish alive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phoenix44 Posted August 17, 2010 Report Share Posted August 17, 2010 Get a 300W heater, nothing less. Get a jager if you can, but in all seriousness, if there comes a point when you think can't afford to run the tank best thing to do is not to run it. No point stressing over something like that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CodKing Posted August 17, 2010 Report Share Posted August 17, 2010 I vote against aquaone heaters Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BikBok Posted August 17, 2010 Report Share Posted August 17, 2010 agree with the suggestion of jager.. but they are expensive. i have two aquaone heaters and two jager .. the jagers win hands down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suphew Posted August 17, 2010 Report Share Posted August 17, 2010 I would be careful running over sized heaters no matter how much you pay for them, the rule is 1w per liter, the reason for this rule is so when it jams on you don't boil your fish. Large heaters will also change the temperature quickly and more locally, neither are good for you fish. Two heaters is aways going to be safer than one because of the redundancy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maoripho3nix Posted August 17, 2010 Author Report Share Posted August 17, 2010 Kool thanks for the comments, might get the Jager and an Aquaone to store as a backup. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted August 18, 2010 Report Share Posted August 18, 2010 Fluval thermostats are incredible. I have a Fluval 200watt in my tank (which is 150 liters), and I'll never look back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joshlikesfish Posted August 18, 2010 Report Share Posted August 18, 2010 I have aquaone, masterpet and scuba. Got them all cheap as haha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spoon Posted August 18, 2010 Report Share Posted August 18, 2010 I have aquaone, masterpet and scuba. Got them all cheap as haha careful with those master pet heaters they arent waterproof and the top shouldnt be under water - had one fail killing a tank of peacock fry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryanjury Posted August 18, 2010 Report Share Posted August 18, 2010 Yeah the masterpets and jebos are nasty.. I have found aqua ones to be ok for the price, but in this area it does appear you get what you pay for and the jagers/renas I have running are awesome.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ira Posted August 18, 2010 Report Share Posted August 18, 2010 The only heaters I've had fail are jagers. They all leak. But, the one that failed didn't overheat the tank. It just collected a puddle of water in the bottom that shorted the nichrome wire. So it just sat there boiling the puddle in the bottom of the heater with the bottom couple coils. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smidey Posted August 18, 2010 Report Share Posted August 18, 2010 i had 6 jebos fail the same way & as i bought them at the same time they failed within 4 or 6 weeks of each other. jagers are my choice now, they keep the temp closer to where they are set but they do cost more. there are quite a few auctions on TM with new heaters that are a bit cheaper. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maoripho3nix Posted August 26, 2010 Author Report Share Posted August 26, 2010 Jagers are highly recommended, but some have had failures in thermostat. Stay away from Jebos and Masterpet, Aquaones although cheap but unreliable. I might go with the Jager, although Ive read some reviews on Resun heaters....Apparently they're the Jager equivalent in China but about half the price. :roll: I was thinking about getting this heater Benefits being: Weipro MX-1019 An excellent cost effective way to protect your aquarium from heater thermostat failiure. By setting the temperature on this controller power to the heater will be cut off once a maximum set temperature has been reached. Its Stainless Steel, so it wont shatter And has a temp probe so I wont need to buy one And it looks Techy :lol: And will cost me $70NZD including shipping to buy the one on Ebay. Jager 300w heater on Trademe = $70 excluding shipping. Anyone have one of these systems Weipro systems? Any issues?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ira Posted August 26, 2010 Report Share Posted August 26, 2010 oops Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ira Posted August 26, 2010 Report Share Posted August 26, 2010 Jagers are highly recommended, but some have had failures in thermostat. Stay away from Jebos and Masterpet, Aquaones although cheap but unreliable. I might go with the Jager, although Ive read some reviews on Resun heaters....Apparently they're the Jager equivalent in China but about half the price. :roll: I was thinking about getting this heater Benefits being: Its Stainless Steel, so it wont shatter And has a temp probe so I wont need to buy one And it looks Techy :lol: And will cost me $70NZD including shipping to buy the one on Ebay. Jager 300w heater on Trademe = $70 excluding shipping. Anyone have one of these systems Weipro systems? Any issues?? Is that $70nz with the heater? They're also available without the heater, I think. Temp controllers are pretty good though. You can use the cheapest, dirtiest heater with them relatively safely because you have two thermostats in the system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maoripho3nix Posted August 26, 2010 Author Report Share Posted August 26, 2010 Is that $70nz with the heater? They're also available without the heater, I think. Temp controllers are pretty good though. You can use the cheapest, dirtiest heater with them relatively safely because you have two thermostats in the system. The listing says it comes with a 300w heater. Can have 2 heaters with a 1000w total load. For $70 I was The system itself is 20GBP or $45 NZD....the shipping is always a killer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hovmoller Posted August 26, 2010 Report Share Posted August 26, 2010 the rule is 1w per liter, the reason for this rule is so when it jams on you don't boil your fish. I had a 300w Juwel heater for a 300L Juwel tank.. when it jammed it boiled my fish slowly at 41 degrees... and that was in winter! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smidey Posted August 26, 2010 Report Share Posted August 26, 2010 the jagers burn out their fuse if they jam on so IMO you are more likely to save your fish if that happens. well, africans would cope with a cold tank anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maoripho3nix Posted August 26, 2010 Author Report Share Posted August 26, 2010 I had a 300w Juwel heater for a 300L Juwel tank.. when it jammed it boiled my fish slowly at 41 degrees... and that was in winter! The total water volume in my tank and sump will be around the 250L mark....which is about 1.2w/pl of heating....And if Im to get the weipro system, the internal electronic computer system is designed not to power the heater past its set temp, in other words it cuts the power to the heater......in a normal heater the thermo controls the heat and turns on and off to accommodate, but if the thermo fails the power is still going through the heater......failed thermo = boiled fish for tea Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ira Posted August 26, 2010 Report Share Posted August 26, 2010 the internal electronic computer system is designed not to power the heater past its set temp, in other words it cuts the power to the heater Sooo...Basically it's a thermostat? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maoripho3nix Posted August 26, 2010 Author Report Share Posted August 26, 2010 Sooo...Basically it's a thermostat? :lol: Yes, but if it fails the heater wont be powered. Still electronics can fail, doesnt make this system 100% safe. But a lot more of a chance of it not boiling the fish. Although I like fish heads :lol: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ira Posted August 26, 2010 Report Share Posted August 26, 2010 :lol: Yes, but if it fails the heater wont be powered. Still electronics can fail, doesnt make this system 100% safe. But a lot more of a chance of it not boiling the fish. Although I like fish heads :lol: I think the term you're looking for is failsafe vs faildangerous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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