fordayzbro Posted July 28, 2010 Author Report Share Posted July 28, 2010 UPDATE Something's not right......... :-? After some good growth at the start, a few algae problems, otto's laying eggs, a major hack back and some more algae the plants now just won't grow.... I have high light, pressurized Co2, loads of filtration, good substrate and currently dosing with comprehensive (every 3 days). The lights are on for 8 hours per day and the Co2 is running at 2bps Could it be comprehensive is just not doing it for me...? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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fordayzbro Posted July 28, 2010 Author Report Share Posted July 28, 2010 Here's the latest pic.... There has been no real growth for a month now. The glosso took off then got ruined by hair algae so I hacked it back now the glosso and the rest of the plants seem to be stunted... :-? I've tried everything except for changing the ferts... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phoenix44 Posted July 28, 2010 Report Share Posted July 28, 2010 Try reducing the light for a little while. Tank still looks great though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fordayzbro Posted July 28, 2010 Author Report Share Posted July 28, 2010 Try reducing the light for a little while. Tank still looks great though. I've tried reducing and increasing both light and CO2.... :-? Figured I need to change my ferts so just been on ebay and purchased some goodies... Hope they do the business Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fordayzbro Posted July 28, 2010 Author Report Share Posted July 28, 2010 Forgot to mention that I have been dosing 3ml of comprehensive every 3 days and 6ml after the twice weekly 30% water change. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phoenix44 Posted July 28, 2010 Report Share Posted July 28, 2010 are the roots constricted at all? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fordayzbro Posted July 28, 2010 Author Report Share Posted July 28, 2010 are the roots constricted at all? Shouldn't be... I'm using Seachem Flourite and JBL manando. I could try some root tabs but I would of thought flourite would be doing the business... For the next setup maybe I'll try aquabasis and manado. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jennifer Posted July 28, 2010 Report Share Posted July 28, 2010 I would try Comprehensive every day, 1ml per 40 L, and increase the amount of food you are feeding the fish (to gently increase the nitrates). I have found that to be successful in most cases. You should see new leaves within a week or so. If you don't want to use Comprehensive you can just dose NPK separately (I find it much easier to use an all in one like Comprehensive though). The idea behind this is to flood the water column with excess nutrients to prevent nutrient deficiencies from being the limiting factor. The CO2 will prevent algae if the plants are not limited in any way (and as long as you do not have ammonia spikes). This is called the estimative index method coined by Tom Barr. Try Googling 'estimative index' for more info. Edit: I just looked it up and found this link: http://www.aquaticplantcentral.com/foru ... guide.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fordayzbro Posted July 28, 2010 Author Report Share Posted July 28, 2010 I would try Comprehensive every day, 1ml per 40 L, and increase the amount of food you are feeding the fish (to gently increase the nitrates). I have found that to be successful in most cases. You should see new leaves within a week or so. If you don't want to use Comprehensive you can just dose NPK separately (I find it much easier to use an all in one like Comprehensive though). The idea behind this is to flood the water column with excess nutrients to prevent nutrient deficiencies from being the limiting factor. The CO2 will prevent algae if the plants are not limited in any way (and as long as you do not have ammonia spikes). This is called the estimative index method coined by Tom Barr. Try Googling 'estimative index' for more info. Edit: I just looked it up and found this link: http://www.aquaticplantcentral.com/foru ... guide.html Thanks for your help Jennifer, I have just ordered some ADA ferts online but while I wait for that to arrive I will increase the dose of comprehensive. If that doesn't work then I'll try the EI method Cheers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted July 29, 2010 Report Share Posted July 29, 2010 What site did you order the ferts from? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phoenix44 Posted July 29, 2010 Report Share Posted July 29, 2010 What site did you order the ferts from? Figured I need to change my ferts so just been on ebay and purchased some goodies... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted July 29, 2010 Report Share Posted July 29, 2010 What's ebay? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamH Posted July 29, 2010 Report Share Posted July 29, 2010 What's ebay? Google IS your friend. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fordayzbro Posted July 29, 2010 Author Report Share Posted July 29, 2010 Near disaster today! Got home early from work today to find half my fish belly up or gasping for air....... Immediately did a 50% water change and now they seem to be making a recovery bar one which sadly did not make it Checked my water parameters from the changed water and nothing seems to be wrong... So I have a theory.... Yesterday my Sodastream finally ran out (P44 that's 2 months) so I decided to dose with excel, I overdosed because I had some bba growing on one of the rocks and I think I reeaaalllly did overdose :roll: Usually I'm really carefully dosing with excel but on this occasion it seems I was a bit sloppy :oops: Lesson learnt, could've been worse! :roll: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phoenix44 Posted July 29, 2010 Report Share Posted July 29, 2010 P44 that's 2 months The dollar is good! Do you have a link to what you bought to get the sodastream working? Could have been much worse. What about the ottos? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jennifer Posted July 29, 2010 Report Share Posted July 29, 2010 Oh no, that's no good! Was your C)2 tank still attached after it ran out? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted July 29, 2010 Report Share Posted July 29, 2010 Had a look on ebay and there's some really cool ADA products :bounce: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fordayzbro Posted July 29, 2010 Author Report Share Posted July 29, 2010 The dollar is good! Do you have a link to what you bought to get the sodastream working? Could have been much worse. What about the ottos? This is the main part: http://cgi.ebay.com.au/soda-stream-adap ... 4150cb0832 I ordered my reg, lily pipes, check valve all to together to save on shipping. The adaptor is the kick in the #%$# I love the setup though, saves me heaps of room in the cabinet and to get a refill I just go to the nearest Farmers The ottos don't look that happy right now... :oops: Hope I haven't ruined their libido! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fordayzbro Posted July 29, 2010 Author Report Share Posted July 29, 2010 Oh no, that's no good! Was your C)2 tank still attached after it ran out? No, I disconneted the bottle last night just in case I would get time today to replace it, lucky I didn't or I may not have got home in time to do a water change! Got to try and look at the bright side I guess..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fordayzbro Posted July 29, 2010 Author Report Share Posted July 29, 2010 Had a look on ebay and there's some really cool ADA products :bounce: Yep, that's the place to get it.... I've ordered brightly K & green brightly lights I don't know if I would shell out for ADA hardware though.... there are plenty of quality aquascaping products on the market now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phoenix44 Posted July 29, 2010 Report Share Posted July 29, 2010 brightly K & green brightly lights I could have made you that stuff :lol: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fordayzbro Posted July 29, 2010 Author Report Share Posted July 29, 2010 I could have made you that stuff :lol: Too late.... :-? I know for next time Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fordayzbro Posted July 30, 2010 Author Report Share Posted July 30, 2010 UPDATE No Co2 added for 2 days because of the little excel accident has resulted in a major staghorn and fuzz algae outbreak :-? Gee whizz that sucks. The fish look fine now though.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jennifer Posted July 30, 2010 Report Share Posted July 30, 2010 No Co2 added for 2 days because of the little excel accident has resulted in a major staghorn and fuzz algae outbreak... The algae most likely was caused by the lack of CO2 which prevented the plants from using up the nutrients. Staghorn is particularly common from CO2 fluctuations. Good to hear the fish are ok though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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