RnB Posted October 19, 2004 Author Report Share Posted October 19, 2004 regarding the comment about "the average hobbist" not being able to handle 3 week qual for fish/corals thats prob the best reason i have ever heard to make the next AKL facility a co-operative... with many knowledgeable hobbists involved. MAF would love that... deep base of technical knowledge and all..... Peter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pies Posted October 19, 2004 Report Share Posted October 19, 2004 Alois - If you can't sell it all, put me down for 400 pieces My 1400 litre tank is calling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reef Posted October 19, 2004 Report Share Posted October 19, 2004 next AKL facility a co-operative Well give me $20k and go for it. it would be good for you, but 99% of the others will miss out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wasp Posted October 19, 2004 Report Share Posted October 19, 2004 800 pieces ?! Got to ask - Reef, you said you think there is about 100 reefers in NZ. How can you reasonably sell 800 pieces this time around, that's 8 for everybody, doesn't seem likely, what's the story? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reef Posted October 19, 2004 Report Share Posted October 19, 2004 That’s a good question. I have a very large distribution area which will help move stock, however 800 pieces is lots of items to move. I want to see if this excise will help reduce pricing. It may or it may not. Like all hobbyist I am interested in reducing pricing, however there is a way to do it and it takes a lot of neg with shops etc. I have seen koran angels for $90 in the shop for example. 2 weeks later it was still available. That is a very cheap fish and still did not sell. why is that? everyone says they want cheap pricing but when it does come the stock still does not move. Ultimately I can only do so much and it is always a balancing act between wholesalers and retailers. I never came out and said that hobbyist are getting overcharged and never lead hobbyist believe that we could match overseas prices and now make a claim that the prices are very cheap. I want accountability. So we want answers and I want to see how a yellow tang is going to cost $56 etc The list goes on and on, I am just glad my tank is full and growing like mad so I can help the hobby out in NZ with realistically priced stockNicks Then cannot guarantee the lowest in NZ as they are quite low now, Nicks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Holiday Posted October 19, 2004 Report Share Posted October 19, 2004 $90 is a great price for a koran angel but i wouldn't put one in my reef, would you? with the trend being a community reef i don't think there is a huge market for fish like these. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caryl Posted October 19, 2004 Report Share Posted October 19, 2004 It is my understanding that with marines you have to build your tank up slowly and can't even add fish for 6 months or more. Then, when you do, you have to be very careful what you add and the order you add them so they will live together. Someone might want that angel very badly but is unable to get it right then due to their tank not being ready or having to move another inhabitant. Overall turnover is higher for freshwater from a livestock point of view. Having read a lot of saltwater posts re set-up costs, running costs, and choosing inmates I am afraid I am going to have to be boring and stick with freshwater - no matter how beautiful a well set up marine tank looks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reef Posted October 19, 2004 Report Share Posted October 19, 2004 don't think there is a huge market for fish like these. I am only giving you a example, i did not want to spend 2-3 hours writing a novel. It depend on what you are into, i think they are great fish and the problem is that most people dont even see the nice angels in adult colours like a blue face angel, queen angel etc. Some prices are high sometimes on selected items, however there are are also some good pricing. \ etc zoos for $60-$70 leathers for $60-$80 coral beauty $70-$80 Powder blue tang $120 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chimera Posted October 19, 2004 Report Share Posted October 19, 2004 that's pretty much it in a nutshell caryl, it is hard mixing species (much like a freshwater tank though) and introduction and numbers of marine should be even slower and lower than fresh. im personally not as concerned with fish prices (although i do object to forking out $65 for a cleaner shrimp! especially when i need several!) IMO, marine fish prices are not too much of a concern to most - they do need careful importing and ultimately deserve a higher price. They also are typically a long term purchase (assuming your tank parameters are good) most living for many many years (well, most live reasonably long). you cant keep as many fish in a marine tank either so for under $1k you could stock your tank up with fish and be done with it for quite some time. corals on the other hand are my issue. they can be fragged and grown here (sure, you need to pay for tanks, power, maintenance etc which pushes price up) and this is why people buy/swap off friends saving mega-bucks. $1k of corals will buy you sweet f-all - thats where i have my issue - LFS charging $100+ for corals (not to mention all the equipment for the newbie wanting to setup marine) doesnt help when MAF restrict importation of live rock etc too... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reef Posted October 19, 2004 Report Share Posted October 19, 2004 As again selected coral are more expensive from overseas exporters as they charge more if it has more colour not all coral are over $100, who has ask a shop if they buy 20-30 will they get a discount,?? i bet no one , as everyone goes in and picks 2-3 of the best coral and leaves the rest until another shipment comes in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RnB Posted October 19, 2004 Author Report Share Posted October 19, 2004 I perhaps am not as interested in helping out everyone else i do not know..... I want cheap corals for me........ and my close friends thats why i wioll do this.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reef Posted October 19, 2004 Report Share Posted October 19, 2004 That is why it needs to be win/win. It does not help if everyone does there own thing. Like i said if you want wholesale prices go to a shop and neg a deal for 20-30 coral etc. I dont think this will happen as not many people have the cash. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RnB Posted October 19, 2004 Author Report Share Posted October 19, 2004 I do not agree reef. I will try this out and see what happens...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wasp Posted October 19, 2004 Report Share Posted October 19, 2004 Quote from Chimera - "they do need careful importing and ultimately deserve a higher price. They also are typically a long term purchase (assuming your tank parameters are good) most living for many many years (well, most live reasonably long). " end quote. Just thought I'd throw this in as an interesting aside, saw a real interesting post on Reef Central by a guy who had just turned 70, saying he realised it was now time to look for a new person to look after his clownfish pair. But, here's the interesting part, he got this pair when he was aged 48, had kept them for 22 years, they had survived several near disasters during that time, and he now thought they may outlive him and wanted to ensure their care by finding a suitable new owner / carer. Kind of puts a focus on being sure to get the right fish in the first place huh! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brianemone Posted October 19, 2004 Report Share Posted October 19, 2004 thats why i need a clown fish, so that my one doesnt grow old alone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetskisteve Posted October 19, 2004 Report Share Posted October 19, 2004 all this pricing talk confirms my thoughts! up until 3 weeks ago when i rang Alois to tell him that i had done "finally" what he had been suggesting i do for months & months, was to start a quarantine facility! Now b4 this had ANYONE EVER SEEN DISCOUNTED FISH OR CORALS ???? i think NOT unless they were half dead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lduncan Posted October 19, 2004 Report Share Posted October 19, 2004 Confirms what thoughts? Layton Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RnB Posted October 20, 2004 Author Report Share Posted October 20, 2004 would take no time at all to pay for a qual facility if you did 800 piece imports......... I only want to bring in approx 100 at a time! reef and others would have nothing to fear from a hobbist if this is the volumes that are being turned over! Peter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reef Posted October 20, 2004 Report Share Posted October 20, 2004 Now b4 this had ANYONE EVER SEEN DISCOUNTED FISH OR CORALS ???? You just proved the point that you dont have any idea on stock prices and always quote the high prices. Might not have been adverised, but my prices have been reducing anyway due to the US dollar getting better. I looked back at my stock list from a year ago and they are a little lower. so what are you going on about, How would you know anything about coral discounts when you never buy coral/fish, I am aware of a number of times that i have reduced prices. You did not comment about the flame angels that were only $130 etc. because you did not see it. I dont have to discount anything as i always do them at a reasonable price. But i choose to at my risk to satisfy everyones needs. ONCE AGAIN cannot guarantee the lowest in NZ as they are quite low now, WHY are they low now, whats changed from last month.??? .Nick did say this, but steve keeps reminding us of the US prices which they will match. would take no time at all to pay for a qual facility if you did 800 piece imports AS i said i am trying it, never said it was 800 ever month. trying to do it for your benefit everyone. What else do you want me to do to reduce prices,?? what is a far price for a coral.?/ eg acropora.. I bet you want it to be $40 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RnB Posted October 20, 2004 Author Report Share Posted October 20, 2004 hey reef good on ya, you have made a world of difference to prices, that korean angle still for sale at $90 i think, cute fish, was going to look up its reef compatibility..... thats the thing with fish, u cannot be so impulsive! your comments about keeping things alive are interesting when i look at most LFS , there skimmers etc are way smallr then most hobbists yet corals sit in their tanks for ages....... take a good look at the V simple technology and low number of MH lifgts over most LFS tanks next time you are there.... really look - none of these places "appear" to have the passion of say http://www.phishybusiness.com/Our_System.PHP These guys are expanding at the moment...... IMHO this is the future of our hobby in NZ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brianemone Posted October 20, 2004 Report Share Posted October 20, 2004 the koran angel (when the black, blue and white colouration) is one of the most beautiful fish aroung imo. the pic on liveaquaria of the adult version is not all that nice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RnB Posted October 20, 2004 Author Report Share Posted October 20, 2004 i think landed + 50% is probably a fair return........... give you an example, to buy a prominent kayak biz in AKL at the moment the asking price is $350k tunrover approx 1mil wages for owner 50k and around 50-80k profit on top of that if you are keen/good i think the outlay for a wholesaler is quite small... therefore expecting to make a lot of money and that no one else will enter the biz is not smart...... outlay to start a import commercially 20k possible return per year 60+ very nice little margin biz! and all the tax beneifits of owning a small biz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chimera Posted October 20, 2004 Report Share Posted October 20, 2004 hmmm, did an image search on google for korean angelfish and this is the only pic that was returned... :lol: :lol: :lol: best if you spell it correctly next time!! "koran" RnB - i think those returns with a small market you're dreaming a bit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brianemone Posted October 20, 2004 Report Share Posted October 20, 2004 from korea? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chimera Posted October 20, 2004 Report Share Posted October 20, 2004 dunno where it's from but it's koran angel, not korean angle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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