caserole Posted November 20, 2008 Report Share Posted November 20, 2008 I have found that taking the male( out of site ) away is advisable for no other reason > if feed well she will breed every 2 weeks. Even if the male appears not to be eating the fry she may. The female may even bet up the male or the other way around(after 2 week, or if the male has had enough of her bulling ) so a 900mm tank I now think is best even thought I have breed cockatoo's in a 600mm tanks. If you do remove the male, a week after the eggs are laid is about right > the fry should be free swimming for a day or to by then, earlier if you can do it with out disturbing the female(at night maybe). They are an easy species to breed and raise if given the right conditions(including tank size). Best breeding temp is between 24 - 28C, although they can breed in cooler conditions. Any warmer the fish will consume more energy(food) just living, let alone getting the female gravid or growing the fry, the fry should be ready to breed them selves by 3 to 4months Bilbo, why do you think you will not have a spawning for a while?? Good luck Ryan and Olly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave+Amy Posted November 20, 2008 Author Report Share Posted November 20, 2008 thanks for the advise Caserole now I know what to do! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEd Posted November 20, 2008 Report Share Posted November 20, 2008 Well done guys! That's a beauty coloured male you've got there Ryan! I agree with caserole as far as removing the male and I do it as soon as he is shunned away by the female. Remove the cause of the stress (the male) and plenty of live food, like tubifex and white worms, and the eggs should be safe as Winston Peters in a Labour Gov't! I've had them lay another batch after 10 days on a tubifex twice daily diet. Great to see everyones success with them! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave+Amy Posted November 20, 2008 Author Report Share Posted November 20, 2008 MrEd where do you get your tubiflex worms from? My fish don't like the freeze dried stuff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEd Posted November 20, 2008 Report Share Posted November 20, 2008 I have a culture of them growing in a bath tub but I moved it and gave it a bit of a clean and things are a bit slow at the mo! I can usually harvest daily but something is a miss at the moment though the Daphnia are doing well? I know what you mean about dried worms as even my Angels won't touch them .... and that's saying something! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caserole Posted November 20, 2008 Report Share Posted November 20, 2008 It may be easier to start a tiger worm culture > feed vege scraps from the kitchen, a culture can eat 1/2 there weight in food per day. Chop them up for the female and feed the male whole worms. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave+Amy Posted November 20, 2008 Author Report Share Posted November 20, 2008 where do I get tiger worms from? do you have a small culture that you want to sell??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caserole Posted November 20, 2008 Report Share Posted November 20, 2008 They are the common composting worms, but you can't use the ones in the compost they are yucky to the fish. You can buy them from worm farms { Google worm farms nz } to find out all you need to know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alanmin4304 Posted November 20, 2008 Report Share Posted November 20, 2008 Correct me if I am wrong but I thought it was the other way around---Tigers are yucky and ordinary are good. My turtles love the compost ones. Tigers are the ones used in worm farms are they not? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave+Amy Posted November 20, 2008 Author Report Share Posted November 20, 2008 I know we need some tiger worms anyway apparently it's a good food source for Bearded Dragons, I know I've pulled normal worms out of the garden and have chopped it up and the Discus took to it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tracytrout Posted November 20, 2008 Report Share Posted November 20, 2008 Good Luck MarkLB.....was amazed the first time my female went that yellow and being a newby thought there was something wrong with her DOH!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caserole Posted November 21, 2008 Report Share Posted November 21, 2008 That's a bit old school Alanmin , tiger worms out of an old fashion compost will taste bad due to the rotting vegetation > so true But farmed tiger's are only feed what they will eat in one day(half there weight per day) so do not contain the bad compounds you can smell in a rotting heap of grass clippings etc > so not true. Earth worms are always good value, I found one yesterday in a bucket of gravel I was cleaning and feed it to my adult female SJO, it was gone wick smart.:lol: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkLB Posted November 21, 2008 Report Share Posted November 21, 2008 Good Luck MarkLB..... Thanks....but alas ....JEALOUS No need.....the eggs were there when I checked this morning but gone when I got home from work Ah well....no rush they'll get it right one day Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cichlid7 Posted November 21, 2008 Report Share Posted November 21, 2008 mine also laid eggs but the GBA ate them female looks full of eggs again so fingers crossed as the GBA are in a diff tank now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave+Amy Posted November 21, 2008 Author Report Share Posted November 21, 2008 right so the competition is on to raise the fry wager...? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lmsmith Posted November 21, 2008 Report Share Posted November 21, 2008 Aw.... I wish I had some to make babies so I could raise fry What size tank do they need and what conditions? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryanjury Posted November 21, 2008 Report Share Posted November 21, 2008 Just typical community water conditions average ph etc.. Min tank size for a pair would be 2ft but if you wanted to keep them with other fish id say 3ft min.. My female is guarding wrigglers at the moment in her own tank not many as it looks like alot of the eggs she laid on the bottom of the pot in the gravel weren't fertile.. The male has spawned a few times with another female and I have only ever seen eggs on the roof of the pot so don't think he saw the bottom ones to do his thing.. Heres hoping the wriggers keep going I thought about posting and suggesting a wager there are quite a few of us with fish from the same line probably the same age etc would be interesting.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave+Amy Posted November 21, 2008 Author Report Share Posted November 21, 2008 I'm attempting it in a 60L tank...might be little so I'll have to do frequent water changes - don't know about anyone else Ryan - would be keen to do it for sh*ts and giggles, the winner MUSt post pics of the progeny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryanjury Posted November 21, 2008 Report Share Posted November 21, 2008 60L should be fine depending on how compatible the pair are.. I guess they are like people some get on in a small space some like to smash the crap out of each other and might need a bit more room.. My female is in a 30cm cube tank (30ishL) with her eggs at the moment and if anything happens to the babies it will be the tank I add the male to do attempt to breed them again. If you have only the pair and a cycled filter you would only need to do your normal weekly water changes on a 60L tank. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lmsmith Posted November 21, 2008 Report Share Posted November 21, 2008 Awesome, ok, they sound great and look really cool. Now, where can I buy them? Does anyone have some pics handy of what a 'good' boy and girl look like, so if I see any I'll know if they're good or not so good. Thanks in advance my fishy buddies! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave+Amy Posted November 21, 2008 Author Report Share Posted November 21, 2008 I will be breeding them in a 180L tank but it's divided into 3 compartments separated by perspex with laser cut slits for water cirulation...that way I could just move the parents easily if need be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TM Posted November 21, 2008 Report Share Posted November 21, 2008 My male is in a 300 x 350 x 350, female died within an hour or so of letting them out. New female coming on Tuesday Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave+Amy Posted November 21, 2008 Author Report Share Posted November 21, 2008 TM - awww that sucks..I have not caught sight of my male since this morning and he hasn't even come out for a treat of blended up prawn and beef heart Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TM Posted November 21, 2008 Report Share Posted November 21, 2008 Yeah but thats fish Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryanjury Posted November 21, 2008 Report Share Posted November 21, 2008 I hope your male shows dave+amy im sure he will they can be sneaky little buggers at times.. Glad it all worked out getting some angels and others you needed down to you TM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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