henward Posted February 27, 2008 Report Share Posted February 27, 2008 Tank 1: 8 foot x 80 cms deep front to back x 65 cms high. 1x Silver Aro 3x dats (1x 14" wide bar, 1x 13" indo, 1x 10 inch indo) 1x run of the mill pleco 2x giant gourami 1x Royal clown knife 1x lown knife 1x Black african kninfe 2x cigar sharks 1x pink tail chalceus Tank 2: 4 foot x 1.5' x 1.5' 1x flagtail prochilodus 1x red parrot 1x polypterus ornate 2x polypterus senegalus (one albino, one normal) 2x or 3x small dats - babies feed back please Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David R Posted February 27, 2008 Report Share Posted February 27, 2008 My feedback: 1. forget the giant gouramis. I hate them! They're big ugly and boring, and can sometimes be quite aggressive. Why anyone would want to keep one is beyond me, even the red tailed ones are ugly. I'm not sure about this, but maybe keeping two together could also cause trouble? 2. The ornate and flagtail will both out-grow the 4' tank, as will the dats, eventually. Where does the jardini fit in with all of this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alanmin4304 Posted February 27, 2008 Report Share Posted February 27, 2008 Can you get man eating crocs in NZ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
livingart Posted February 27, 2008 Report Share Posted February 27, 2008 Can you get man eating crocs in NZ? Alan have you caught the henward bug? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryanjury Posted February 27, 2008 Report Share Posted February 27, 2008 I just like things that grow big and eat other people.. But once I get my man eating croc ill have to start off feeding it homeless children and then starve it and try and get it eating shrimp.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alanmin4304 Posted February 27, 2008 Report Share Posted February 27, 2008 Even if it is big and ugly its mother will love it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henward Posted February 27, 2008 Author Report Share Posted February 27, 2008 mmmm crocs ok anyways i like giant gouramis! i love them, they look strange and weird i know one would be ok two o fthem, othre forums tell me that when little they will fight, you may get deaths, but once they get bigger they settle down and leave each other alone, so if they are strong, they will live to be together, if not , one will die. 6'x55cm x 55xm tank will have the jardinii with its old tank mates, 2x tinfoils, 2x silver dollars and 1x spotted metynis so that will stay the same. yeah, the flagtail and bichirs will eventually outgrow 4 foot tank, but that dats will take awhile, the flagtails growth is slow too, so would be awhile when the bichirs get too big , ill move them to the 8 footer , they generally dont bother any other fish. the 8 foot combination, does that look ok though? those fish should get along though right? except maybe the 2 GG. also the giant gourami can be taught to eat other fish, and have big mouths. no really, i thin they are cool, id like to have the gold and a grey one apart from davids great distain for GGs is there any problems with it? david: what do you suggest? other monster fish, i want big fish, i mean big monster fish Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henward Posted February 27, 2008 Author Report Share Posted February 27, 2008 i was thinking a jag, but other cichlids are not my cup of tea, pacu perhaps but they get toooo big. though they could live there for awhile. more dats?? mroe aros? maybe jsut one giant gourami, and put 2 silver aros in there? or 3? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David R Posted February 27, 2008 Report Share Posted February 27, 2008 Well the tank is big enough to try a community of silvers, at least for a while anyway. I'd suggest three at the minimum, all the same size, grown out together from juveniles. A large male jag could work, would have enough room for his own territory. Why not get 3+ ornates instead of the senegals and grow them out to go on the bottom of the 8' tank? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
northland chic Posted February 27, 2008 Report Share Posted February 27, 2008 i agree with mystic no pacus! You have to knock them on the head when they're big, no one will buy it even for $1. Wish someone had told me they ate silver sharks. Our old ones ate both of mine one was about 25cm came home to find out 5cm of body left I had had this one from tiny so was shattered one pacu got ikied after that. Then woke up a few weeks later to find remaining pacu eating my 15cm silver shark so our last pacu got ikied. They had also been attacking my oscars. I have had a few pacu before and never had them that aggressive even had a black one. Do not reccmommend! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henward Posted February 28, 2008 Author Report Share Posted February 28, 2008 re arranged: 8 foot: 1x silver aro 3 x large dats 2x cigar sharks 1x royal 1x clown knife 1x giant gourami 1x pleco 1x pink tail chalceus if i can get one 4foot 2x smaller dats 2 or 3x bichirs (growing out to 8 foot) 1x flagtail 1x red parrot 1x african knife so agbove looks beter? whsat the concensus? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henward Posted February 28, 2008 Author Report Share Posted February 28, 2008 ?d Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David R Posted February 28, 2008 Report Share Posted February 28, 2008 3x dats (1x 14" wide bar, 1x 13" indo, 1x 10 inch indo) Watch as they can get nasty towards the Aro, and other fish once bigger. The only time I've had problems with a dat being aggressive towards other fish is when its by itself. When kept in groups they tend to squabble amongst themselves and not bother other large fish. There will always be exceptions though. Another thing, keep an eye on the flagtail with the polys, mine is good so far, but there have been cases where they decide bichir slimecoat tastes better than algae and start rasping them. Lastly, I'll third the 'no pacu's' notion. IMO they are a fish that should NEVER be stocked by fish shops, and unless you measure the volume of your tank in tens of thousands of gallons you shouldn't be considering keeping them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
je_suis_ketan Posted February 28, 2008 Report Share Posted February 28, 2008 Man, I just did a google image search for Pacu's and those guys have freaky teeth! Yes, they do get huge! I assume this is what we are talking about? http://myfwc.com/fishing/photos/Pacu.JPG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
je_suis_ketan Posted February 28, 2008 Report Share Posted February 28, 2008 Man, I just did a google image search for Pacu's and those guys have freaky teeth! Yes, they do get huge! I assume this is what we are talking about? http://myfwc.com/fishing/photos/Pacu.JPG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snookie Posted February 28, 2008 Report Share Posted February 28, 2008 more than 2 cigar sharks 8) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snookie Posted February 28, 2008 Report Share Posted February 28, 2008 the Knifes will fight (eventually) the royal will come out worst Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snookie Posted February 28, 2008 Report Share Posted February 28, 2008 royals are not cheap and wont be on the lists for a while Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henward Posted February 28, 2008 Author Report Share Posted February 28, 2008 mmmm yeah, if i see knives fight, i can instantly remove them the african is aggressive apprently when its larger, if its too aggresive, then ill get rid of them the giant gourami wont grow to a foot long wiht in a year , well certainly not 2 foot with in 2 yeras, i used to hvae one, wiht a pacu, and it was fast growing but once it reached just udner 12" it grew alot slower to get it to the size at HFF mt roskill that takes years!!!!! but i do appreciate your opinions and experiences, hence why i ask, so i can re consider african knives will most likely go with the jardinii if its too aggresive. if that doedsnt work out it will go to a good home:D pacus do get huge! its ridiculous but, you can keep a 60cm pacu in a 1200 litre they are fine for awhile just that they do grow rapidly, even at that size, they will grow another 15 cms in a year Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snookie Posted February 28, 2008 Report Share Posted February 28, 2008 Knives will fight when lights are off , 8) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henward Posted February 28, 2008 Author Report Share Posted February 28, 2008 onthat note everyone from MFK have told me so far that clown kni ves when introduced together at less than 10 inches or so, will SOMETIMES initially fight but gbenerally be able to live together in a tank that size, i ha ve seen photos and videos, i guess there are cases and theory it wont work but ill take that risk if i see bad fighting ill separate them wortha go, would look impressive together. i want a predator monster tank. the bichirs will go in once larger and not EDIBLE by the dats:D yeah heard bout flagtails sucking on other fish.....kinda funny lol the african is my head ache, right now its docile but i hear that from everyone too that it does get aggressivbe but mfk has told me on a unanymous concensus that same with the CK, it can be ok with other knives as long as ther are plenty of aggressive fish, but! it has a lot more chanc eof not working out that anything else Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David R Posted February 28, 2008 Report Share Posted February 28, 2008 I assume this is what we are talking about? http://myfwc.com/fishing/photos/Pacu.JPG Aww, thats just a tidler! Check this out!! Is there more than one species of "african knife", are we talking about Xenomystus nigri? I wish more fish people used latin names... :lol: Henward, all I can suggest is that if you're going to try something that may not work out, that you have the ability to separate the fish if things go bad. Fishkeeping is all about trial and error, as Mystic found out with her dats and aro. Sometimes things that shouldn't work out do, and sometimes things that should work out don't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snookie Posted February 28, 2008 Report Share Posted February 28, 2008 I know bronze feather back is NASTY :evil: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
livingart Posted February 28, 2008 Report Share Posted February 28, 2008 fish keeping is trial and error everyone can have different experiences and fish like humans have different personalities if you are going to try something that may or may not work at least have an alternative worked out beforehand in case things go wrong Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryanjury Posted February 28, 2008 Report Share Posted February 28, 2008 I to have tried to do the old well they're getting on now or skimp on recommendations and it has always gone and bit me in the bum.. It happens fast and they can be fine one day gone the next be prepared to supervise lol maybe you should have brought the big tank Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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