snookie Posted January 19, 2008 Report Share Posted January 19, 2008 what is a defination of a breeding pair ? if fish are doing the deed so to speak ,but havent reared fry .as are in a community tank ,but have been doing what they are supposed to ,could they be sold as a breeding pair Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidb Posted January 19, 2008 Report Share Posted January 19, 2008 You talking about egg-layers right? I would say that they can be classed as a breeding pair if eggs hatched but the fry were eaten, but I would be careful when labelling a pair as a breeding pair if you haven't see the fry, especially if the eggs have been infertile. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryanjury Posted January 19, 2008 Report Share Posted January 19, 2008 I would classify a breeding pair as 2 fish that have bred and raised fry successfully.. However you could say this is for a breeding pair of "xxx" they lay egg's which I have to remove and hatch myself.. As david said be careful if you haven't actually seen the eggs hatch or fry.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snookie Posted January 19, 2008 Author Report Share Posted January 19, 2008 thanks for your input guys i will look out for fry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antwan Posted January 19, 2008 Report Share Posted January 19, 2008 I would say it's as simple as a known male and female fish laying eggs, that is breeding after all, doesn't matter how far they've gotten, they are still breeding. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adrienne Posted January 19, 2008 Report Share Posted January 19, 2008 My perspective only When I see 'breeding pair' advertised I always wonder if in fact any fry hatched or if in fact theres just a male and female. Not much point in having eggs if they aren't fertile. The other one is 'pair of fish' - two males make up a pair, a pair should be a male and a female of the same species. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David R Posted January 19, 2008 Report Share Posted January 19, 2008 I had a pair of uarus that regularly laid eggs, but I never saw any fry. I guess they were lesbians. :-? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johannes Visser Posted January 19, 2008 Report Share Posted January 19, 2008 I had a pair of uarus that regularly laid eggs, but I never saw any fry. I guess they were lesbians. :-? LOL :bounce: :bounce: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
northland chic Posted January 19, 2008 Report Share Posted January 19, 2008 For me a breeding pair would be when I see wigglers or fry. I think its good for cichlids and the rare fish but it sucks when someone is advertising a breeding pair of goldfish or guppies because they want more for that reason and just about any guppy or goldfish will do its not hard to get a breeding pair of guppies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alanmin4304 Posted January 19, 2008 Report Share Posted January 19, 2008 People who sell breeding pairs do so because they have bred them almost to death, or they eat their eggs, or they eat their fry or in some other way they are no bloody good. If you want to breed you should buy good quality fish and preferably unrelated. Best to get fish from different sources and pick males and females from different batches. With cichlids you can then put them together and see who fancies who. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilbo Posted January 19, 2008 Report Share Posted January 19, 2008 IMO a breeding pair should have live fry. Its not a big deal if they cant raise them them selves. I have a breeding pair of rams that I have hundreds of fry now in seperate tanks but the parents loose interest after a couple of days, Same story with a 'breeding pair' of oscars that my brother has. If you are selling a 'breeding pair' then you should look at it like you would be happy to buy them as 'breeding pair' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smcoleman Posted January 20, 2008 Report Share Posted January 20, 2008 when i sell breeding pairs means ive breed them an have had babys from them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alanmin4304 Posted January 20, 2008 Report Share Posted January 20, 2008 I am like smcoleman except mine have been bred half to death and I have better ones to replace them with. Set up your own breeding pairs and you will do a lot better than buying someone elses rejects. No sane person is going to sell you their best breeding pairs unless they have been dropped heavily on the head as a baby. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adrienne Posted January 20, 2008 Report Share Posted January 20, 2008 :lol: Alan I suppose sometimes people get a couple of 'breeding pairs' and don't want one of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alanmin4304 Posted January 20, 2008 Report Share Posted January 20, 2008 About as often as some people win lotto I would suspect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
firenzenz Posted January 20, 2008 Report Share Posted January 20, 2008 I agree with smcoleman. Surely the term 'breeding pair' is describing a pair of fish that have or are stilling breeding- not laying eggs or laying about thinking about laying eggs. At least with cichlids the term even when used in a speculative manner has a chance of living up to the term. how many plecs are advertised as a breeding pair when barely sexable. Discus females can pair up and lay can't they?, Do Uarus?- or is David R making a stereotype based on their spikey dorsal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke* Posted January 20, 2008 Report Share Posted January 20, 2008 It has been known for 2 female discus to lay eggs together...however fishlaw says they are still not allowed to get married. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilknieval69 Posted January 20, 2008 Report Share Posted January 20, 2008 I'd say that alot of egg laying fish do firenzenz. Uarus sure could, and i had two fem angels that did, ages ago Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Great White Hand Posted January 20, 2008 Report Share Posted January 20, 2008 Hi Alan, my current four discus turned out to be two breeding pairs, (one lot of fry and one lot of fertilised eggs eaten). At this stage I wish none had paired up, because now I almost certainly need to get rid of a pair, because of aggression in my tank. Four cichlid singletons are bad enough let alone when they pair up. I don't want to breed them, but they are my pets and I like the way they look in my planted tank and am not looking forward to getting rid of two of them. Regards, TGWH Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alanmin4304 Posted January 20, 2008 Report Share Posted January 20, 2008 Tgwh-- My point was that if I were in your situation I would be keeping the pair that were most likely to rear their young and selling the pair that always eats the eggs. My other point was that when breeding lots of fish I very seldom bought breeding pairs but tried to establish pairs that were unrelated and with cichlids, compatable and good parents. You may get a good pair if you buy but you will get a good pair if you do it the right way yourself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David R Posted January 20, 2008 Report Share Posted January 20, 2008 Discus females can pair up and lay can't they?, Do Uarus?- or is David R making a stereotype based on their spikey dorsal. At the time [about 6 years ago] I knew nothing about sexing them and they would always lay the eggs when I was out, so I made my judgement on the fact that none of the eggs ever looked fertilised. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Great White Hand Posted January 20, 2008 Report Share Posted January 20, 2008 Hi Alan, your point is well stated. certainly any serious breeder should be facilitating the development of "pairs" given the criteria you mentioned. It is so ironic, that some people desperately want to foster "pairs" so they can breed (which is fascinating in and of itself and essential to the hobby of fishkeeping) and someone who just wants to look at their pets in their tank has everything bloody pair up I'm looking to pass one pair on to someone who will breed them and If that goes well, will loan them the other pair to them so they can breed them as well. Regards, TGWH Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alanmin4304 Posted January 20, 2008 Report Share Posted January 20, 2008 I have been in the same situation. I saw a couple of discus in a shop that looked like they were a pair and I became more convinced over the next few weeks so I bought them (cost me $200). One bullied the other till it died and then died itself a few months later. I LOVE WATCHING DISCUS IN OTHER PEOPLES TANKS BUT THEY ARE NO LONGER FOR ME. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
livingart Posted January 20, 2008 Report Share Posted January 20, 2008 having bred animals over a lomg period also buying and selling in that time, i have seen a lot of descriptions fitting pairs of any animal. a pair to me are a male and female, ie: shoes left and right etc with birds a bonded pair are a male and female who get on together and possibly mate a breeding pair are a male and female who raise young you usually pay more for these as there is a chance of getting some outlay costs back usually if citing a pair of fish, birds etc as a breeding pair the description will be added to by, lays fertile eggs but male breaks or eats them, eggs must be taken off parents, babies must be hand reared etc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cichlid7 Posted January 20, 2008 Report Share Posted January 20, 2008 to me a breeding pair is a male and a female who have laid eggs and then have been fertilized. but when a male and a female who have laid eggs and then have been fertilized and hatch and become free swimming then i call them a "proven breeding pair" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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