Tropheus Posted March 2, 2007 Report Share Posted March 2, 2007 Headed down to CHCH the other week and visited a couple of LFS. One was selling a very strange looking Nimbochromis venustus. Actually more like a Nimbochromis venustus cross Nimbochromis livingstonii Oh so sad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
herefishiefishie Posted March 2, 2007 Report Share Posted March 2, 2007 I have never seen them 2 species cross before. Did you ask the shop about them? Frenchy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tropheus Posted March 2, 2007 Author Report Share Posted March 2, 2007 No. we where there first thing in the morning and only a couple of young gals where attending the shop. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
herefishiefishie Posted March 2, 2007 Report Share Posted March 2, 2007 Oh so you don't really know for sure then? Did you see anything nice in these 2 shops, just out of interest? Frenchy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OutOfAfrica Posted March 5, 2007 Report Share Posted March 5, 2007 I was there too and they are deffinitely some sort of hybrid all right - I suspect Venustus X Livingstoni. The bodies are generally long like a Livingstoni and they also have the markings of both species in a random pattern, the bellies are yellow like Venustus in general. Head shape varies as well and resembles both types. They do not have a spotted pattern as you would expect to find on a Polystigma. Do not really resemble a Fusco in malanoid patterning either but could be a feasable candidate - these things were weird to look at to say the least OOA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
herefishiefishie Posted March 5, 2007 Report Share Posted March 5, 2007 Any chance of a pic? I thought one of you 2 fellas would of questioned the LFS, aren't you 2 concerned someone may buy these, especially if it is a cross breed. I know the shop may tell you to p... off, I have had that before :lol: I know hard to believe. :roll: Who cares, I don't shop there again & at least I can say I tried. Frenchy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan Posted March 5, 2007 Report Share Posted March 5, 2007 Frenchy, you shock me, they said to remove your bod just cause the prof told them how it was?? Shame!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryanjury Posted March 5, 2007 Report Share Posted March 5, 2007 lol yeah I have told petshops about their hybrids too but they dont care and it actually does you more harm than good over here when you dont have many shops to choose from.. It seems hybrids sell and thats all shops care about, our local has electric blue x azuzures (written on the front of the tank) and they're for sale.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Afrikan Posted March 5, 2007 Report Share Posted March 5, 2007 Yeah I saw those disasters Ryan when I was last down that way, I recommended they would make great food for the big Aro... but all they go on about is the pretty colour.. :roll: :roll: But my way of thinking is, tough if they don't like what you have to say, they will get over it... and if they hear it enough, maybe oneday it might just sink in... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryanjury Posted March 5, 2007 Report Share Posted March 5, 2007 Well the good thing (although im not encouraging it at all) is that they have labelled them as hybrids so people know and dont buy them as something they're not.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
herefishiefishie Posted March 5, 2007 Report Share Posted March 5, 2007 hmm, used to be like that here. People may see my posts as being annoying sometimes, :oops: when I mention naming fish properly & being anti hybrid. Most people who get into cichlids get into the hobby side of things more, therefore knowing what is what. Point being, Hybrids are a very small % of what is in shops here now compared to 5 & more years ago. You may see an assorted tank, that is it. Alan has been on a LFS tour here{sorry not many killies or Madagascian lace plant}. Most shops here do the right thing now, as they know they can't move dodgy stock. Just don't buy the rubbish, make a point. You can complain politely, enough people do it, the more the lfs get the hint. I have seen Brad take dodgy trade ins, to feed them to the native display tank,{after person has left} rather than see them forked off to some poor individual down the track. Frenchy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freakyfish Posted March 5, 2007 Report Share Posted March 5, 2007 My big display tank has eaten so many hybrids and deformed fish now ive lost count of what has gone in there even though im totally against hybrids if the shop is as least telling people and selling them as Hybrids its better then trying to sell them as pure species Also its the way some people try and tell shops about hybrid (not meaning anyone here) i have had people in my shop trying to tell me what this fish is and what that is and why that was is a hybrid I usually just nod my head and listen to them I dont try and talk them into why I consider them what they are cos they dont care and they already think im wrong Brad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
herefishiefishie Posted March 5, 2007 Report Share Posted March 5, 2007 Oh come on Brad, I try to use tack, :lol: Last time I went to a shop by where I live, owned by an Asian fella. Brad will know. I saw the labels, saw the fish. :-? I asked the main guy there, what is this fish here. He goes Taiwan reef. I go oh, I didn't realise they get the horizontal bar running along the body. The reply was, one of my staff breed these, he know what he is doing. I said oh, I could be wrong here, may I suggest the next time you are at home take a look at Red Empress & Taiwan Reef, on a computer or book & see the difference for yourself. He go no, no you are wrong, the father have colour like Taiwan Reef, I have seen him. {I thought it was a mis label on the tank, but now } Oh good I said. All I suggest you do is look them up, I am just being polite. I could tell you direct they are a hybrid of the 2 then, because in this case the Juvie Protomela don't lie, especially with the horizontal stripe running right through the body, that is Red Empress trait. But I will leave you with it. He then said, you don't know what you are talking about. I said no, but my wallet does & I have never been back. That was the middle of last year, easy. Just to see in this example, The female is what the juvies looked like at the shop, http://www.cichlid-forum.com/articles/p_taeniolatus.php The fish he was selling were meant to look like this http://www.cichlid-forum.com/articles/p_steveni.php These 2 species will cross just as quick as mixed peacocks. I see where Brad comes from as I have been there done that with lfs. Then again I have had people think a frontosa was a convict Most common thing is that fish is dead, wehn pointing to something dorment axolotol, bristlenose... Frenchy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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