IOU1 Posted February 8, 2007 Report Share Posted February 8, 2007 Sadly I don't think he is going o make it tonight After purchasing both a male and female from 'iloveoranda' I bought them home and seperated them into seperate barrels. I did weekly waterchanges of at least 10% (often more). The male seemed to go downhill with a 'bubble' on its skin and with some scales sticking out, as the days increased more and more scales stuck out :-? I moved him inside in a aerated 90L tank and increased my waterchanges and put in some rock salt and skin repairer (aloe vera) with every change... He had seemed to get better, the bubble dissapeared etc. All of a sudden even keeping up the water changes he began tipping on his side unable to swim how he originally could have... He had a couple of wounds and damaged fins. Tonight he is on his side completely I have moved him to shallow water making it easier to get around but it isn't helping. Is this some sort of disease from my own doing or could it be some genetical organ failure??? Like I said the waterchanges were weekly and the female is provided with the same conditions and is normal (if not better than when I purchased her) :-? Is there something I can do or is this the end??? Anyone had similar experiences with his fish?? What could have caused these wounds, bubbles and stuck out fins??? He has been by himself since purchase, no other orandas in with him. PLEASE HELP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishboi Posted February 8, 2007 Report Share Posted February 8, 2007 i dont know what exactly he's got but it may cause him to have dropsy. there is no cure for this and its very unlikely its goin to make it sorry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Afrikan Posted February 8, 2007 Report Share Posted February 8, 2007 Could it possibly now have dropsy? http://www.petlibrary.com/goldfish/dropsy.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IOU1 Posted February 8, 2007 Author Report Share Posted February 8, 2007 I think you are right Afrikan and fishboi... The wound might be unrelated. Would this have been my fault or a genetical problem? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sharn Posted February 8, 2007 Report Share Posted February 8, 2007 mixed reports on that i think, i think its bacterial but im not sure if anyone knows specificially what causes it to flare up (ie a scratch isnt going to cause it). dropsy can come out of nowhere in a super healthy tank that is really well looked after so i would say its not genetic and its not your fault either Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishboi Posted February 8, 2007 Report Share Posted February 8, 2007 a few disease that cause the fish to bloat and scales to stick out are all called dropsy. with out doing an autopsy on the wee fella it would be hard to know. most common form of dropsy on goldfish is liver failure which proper orandas seem to get easily due to their deformed body shape and organ. mostly caused by extreme temperature change. another form is parasite which can be cured with peas and epsom salt but i doubt thats what it is by the sound of ur good up keeping, i've ever had it once in my early stage of fish keeping and the fish got sick again with the same thing and died a month after it was put back in the pond. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caryl Posted February 8, 2007 Report Share Posted February 8, 2007 To me, since it started with a bubble (I assume the sticking out scales were from the bubble), and you mention wounds, it isn't dropsy. I think the fish has just developed secondary infections due to the abovementioned problems. I think Melafix is the thing to try (but can't find my bottle to read what it treats so check first). Orandas can develop swim bladder problems easily too, in this case as a result of the other problems. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IOU1 Posted February 9, 2007 Author Report Share Posted February 9, 2007 OK... An update, this oranda is still alive Does appear to be in any pain, still eating food before it sinks and the scales have appeared to have returned to normal :-? ... But its still on it side and can't swim What do you think I should do?? Would 'killing' it be a more humain thing to do?? I don't know whats wrong... I'm wondering if it is a swimming disorder... Thing that puzzles me is that its only recently happened and its already 12months old... they do begin to 'round up' at this age though... Possibly making it unbalanced. I'm confused :-? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caryl Posted February 9, 2007 Report Share Posted February 9, 2007 Try a pea or two (shell removed) in case it is constipated. The rounded, shorter goldfish types often have swim bladder problems. Did you change the type of food recently? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IOU1 Posted February 9, 2007 Author Report Share Posted February 9, 2007 So what do I do with the pea?? Do I try to feed it to him or just drop it in? :oops: About the food, I have fed him with quality goldfish sinking pellets since I got him, but I think 'iloveoranda' had his own recipe that I haven't yet got around to researching and making... Might be my job this weekend if you think thats the problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IOU1 Posted February 9, 2007 Author Report Share Posted February 9, 2007 About the dropsy caused by temperature change, we have suddenly had a huge increase in temperatures here in auckland in the last couple of weeks. Could that change from "Winter" to "Summer" all-of-a-sudden have caused it?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishboi Posted February 9, 2007 Report Share Posted February 9, 2007 About the dropsy caused by temperature change, we have suddenly had a huge increase in temperatures here in auckland in the last couple of weeks. Could that change from "Winter" to "Summer" all-of-a-sudden have caused it?? it could be, i know thats what happening to one of my at the moment but i caught it early so helpfully it will recover. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IOU1 Posted February 9, 2007 Author Report Share Posted February 9, 2007 OK... Please excuse my question about the pea, Of course you feed it to him :oops: Just red the thread and now think I am a idiot for asking that. If it is the temperature change fishboi, what is the best way to help the fish recover? Even though I might be too late I had picked up something was wrong earlier which is why I moved him and increased the water changes, with rock salt... So maybe he can still recover? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishboi Posted February 9, 2007 Report Share Posted February 9, 2007 there is always a chance so never hurt to try. easiest way is epson salt around half a tea spoon per 50litres. u can get it from ur chemist. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IOU1 Posted February 10, 2007 Author Report Share Posted February 10, 2007 Unfortunately the male oranda didn't make it Must have been too late... Thanks for all the advice though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhoenixMoor Posted February 27, 2007 Report Share Posted February 27, 2007 Ohhh, I'm so sorry to hear that ! I was lurking when you bought them and they looked so incredible. Good luck with your female, Rachel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rodrigo2013 Posted February 12, 2014 Report Share Posted February 12, 2014 Hi I'm sorry to hear about your oranda fish....wish I could help you but I am a newbie here. I saw you said you had bought your oranda at 'iloveoranda'. I'd like to get some extra ones for my small pond. I live in Albany, Auckland. Is that place far away from here (or is it a website?) Thank you very much in advance, Rodrigo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caryl Posted May 24, 2014 Report Share Posted May 24, 2014 Not only did this new poster not realise that the original thread is 7 years old but he has also been waiting since February this year for someone to approve his initial post! Talk about mistakes! Sorry Rodrigo2013 :oops: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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