yea had forgotten what you had said firenzenz.so electra male right?when will he color up?just a bad photo sorry.and i think you are right about the kadango just did a google on some young males not fully developed and some ones more developed so this guy i have is a kadango and the young ones i have are undevelpoed males i suspect.im not really that knowledgeable about these guys i have been mainly into the fryeri.just getting into all the different ones now cheers for the ids and cheers for the fish firenzenz