lduncan Posted April 19, 2006 Report Share Posted April 19, 2006 Listen to yourself. FUD, myths, misinformation, ignorance. That type of language is insulting and derogatory, and does not belong in the sensible discussion you claim you want. I have been on the recieving end of all those kind of insults from you myself, when what I have said has been perfectly fine. It is this type of desire to put others down and "attack the messenger" that causes so many threads you are in to become unseemly arguments. This is not insulting and derogatory. It's the fact of the situation. Saying things like "but why advise newby's to try re-inventing the wheel, risking their live stock." is a myth, FUD, misinformation, or based on ignorance. Using a full siphon overflow is not reinventing the wheel, nor is it any more risky to livestock than a durso. It's not a personal insult. Your attempts to incite things and make mountains out of mole hills here have clearly had an effect on the moderators. My posts are on topic, and stay clear of personal attacks. I have not "attacked the messenger" like you say. From Pegasus' response, I have a genuine fear that this type of discussion will be prevented in the future. Censoring these discussions for the sake of not wanting to have a debate style discussion, doesn't encourage people to be objective, instead it encourages the blind faith, do it because everyone else does it type of response. If that's the case, why bother having a forum, if your just paying lip service to other people. I'm aware my posts rock the boat a little sometimes, because they are different, but I don't do it to be argumentative, I do it because there is a valid point there. So a quick summary, the point's i've raised are: People have different perceptions of quite. For some people the noise reduction of a durso is enough, for others it's not. The reason why the durso isn't as quite as it could be is due to the fundamental design flaw: allowing air to enter the overflow. Air and water in the overflow leads to noise. Remove the air and you remove that noise source. A blockage in a full siphon system, will likely cause a problem in an equivalent durso system. Both have restrictions and possibility for blockages to occur. The important thing is that you have other features in your overflow system to prevent blockages, the core overflow method, either durso or full siphon, does not significantly alter the risk of blockage. Overflow covers prevent blockages, not the durso system. Layton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beachy Posted April 19, 2006 Report Share Posted April 19, 2006 no. the hole in the cap will suck air in and essentially break the syphon. quote] Thanks chimera, hard to understand the physics sometimes, i would have thought with the weight of the water would still push and create a syphon. Would the hole to break the syphon have to be quite big, and wouldnt the hole constantly be trying to let air in? sorry for all the q's but its quite an interesting design. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
misnoma Posted April 19, 2006 Report Share Posted April 19, 2006 I would just like to point out the word is "quiet", there's quite a difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lduncan Posted April 19, 2006 Report Share Posted April 19, 2006 I would just like to point out the word is "quiet", there's quite a difference. stupid not able to edit rule :lol: It's annoying not being able to anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lduncan Posted April 19, 2006 Report Share Posted April 19, 2006 Surely you are joking? Either that or you suffer from serious memory loss. You have been insulting me for years. Remember this? If that is not a direct insult, what is? Well despite the fact that i wasn't talking to you. Yes that was the one pesonal insult I directed at you. I felt it was justified considering your behavior, and I was irritated by it. I apologised to the mod and requested that the post be removed, then took an extended break from posting on here. However it was a single isolated incident. I have not been personally insulting you for years. I've questioned some of you statements, I have asked you questions, I have corrected incorrect facts, but only once have I ever personally insulted you. I could add many more of your insults so don't tempt me. But I'm leaving it at that I'm mindful of what Pegasus said I'm out of your new arguing thread. I'd love to see some new beginnings and more sensible behaviour here. Whatever, if that was true you wouldn't have posted the above. The fact is is that that was an isolated incident which i don't deny, and you are trying to incite a moderator to take some sort of action here, when it's not justified. You really just entered this thread to stir things up try and attack me, not to post of the topic, that you'll note, is in violation of the guidelines. Layton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duke Posted April 19, 2006 Report Share Posted April 19, 2006 KP.... I would go with what feels good. As you can see from my over flow it was not flavor of the month. I like it. They are small and don't take up much room. I am also using long hose that goes down through the elbow to reduce the air sucking sound and it works well. Not super quite but I don't care. Looks cool to me and it is differant. In the end of the day they all work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pegasus Posted April 19, 2006 Report Share Posted April 19, 2006 Suphew.. Iduncan, You were both asked politely to stay on topic.. but "still" continue to break the rules.. You are both posting to create a reaction from each other.. which again has nothing to do with the topic. To avoid you "both" being suspended.. the topic will be locked till further notice. Bill. Mod. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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