PENEJANE Posted March 25, 2006 Author Report Share Posted March 25, 2006 ok what the hell is happening? Earlier today my male had a nice bubble nest and was doing well at picking up any stray eggs that fell. But when I went to bed there were eggs all over the bottom of the tank and no matter how hard he tries the eggs just are not staying up the top. The bubble nest is all but a couple of bubbles now. Has something happened to the eggs (signs of being rotton or unfertalised?) or has the male just turned lazy at some stage and has sliped up? or is there something I did wrong? When I shine a torch on the eggs I can see the tiny little fry (believe me only just) and I thought that they may of hatched tonight (layed friday morning). I soo hope that it isn't something I done wrong. He is still working (at 1.30am) real hard on picking up the eggs and putting them back in the nest but they just keep floating back down. : Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PENEJANE Posted March 25, 2006 Author Report Share Posted March 25, 2006 Well this morning I HAVE FRY!!! and I have to say that they are not as small as I thought they would be. I think the wcmm fry is smaller. There still is no bubble nest but dad is picking up thoes that fall and spitting them backup to where they should be. Most of them are stuck to the side of the cup and just hanging out lol. Now my green water has started to go foggy? Is that a good thing? As I thought it goes foggy first then clears up and is safe to use? I still have liquid fry for egg layers on hand to. Cheers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alanmin4304 Posted March 25, 2006 Report Share Posted March 25, 2006 I would take the male out now as they sometimes get sick of carrying them back up and start eating them. Don't feed too much or you can start a bacterial bloom. Some people feed a little green water or liguifry now but don't overdo it. The fry will not eat until they are free swimming but it can help to have food available when they do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PENEJANE Posted March 25, 2006 Author Report Share Posted March 25, 2006 Well I am going to check on them again later this afternoon. If their yolk sacks have shrunk a lot then I will consider feeding them but for now dad is doing a wonderful job and I have a good amount of whiteworms waiting for him to have when I remove him :bounce: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PENEJANE Posted March 26, 2006 Author Report Share Posted March 26, 2006 ok my bettas hatched at some stage during the night last night and I was wondering when is a good time to remove the male. At present he is still picking up any fry that drop to the bottom and putting them back up into the bubbles. Should I remove him tonight or leave him and remove him tomorrow morning? My green water hasn't worked so I have boiled an egg for the yolk and I have that with a small amount of water to form a runny paste. I was then going to put it through a hanky to get the real fine fine bits of egg yolk. I was thinking to start off with 0.3mls of this stuff and then put it through a hanky into the tank. Is this fine untill they are big enough to take the microworms? Cheers Should I give them a little something tonight? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AMAZONIAN Posted March 26, 2006 Report Share Posted March 26, 2006 HI PJ I'm pleased that things appear to be going ok with the fry, and the male sems to have settled into his instinct routine. I'd preferably leave the male where he is at present so long as he is doing the job of looking after the nest and fry. The male (AS CICHLIDS) has an antiseptic saliva when he is in breeding mode so his "Mouthing" the babies and picking them up in his mouth keeps them "Hygenic" and free of any stray Bacteria. The egg yolk is a mesy business at best and shouldn't be mixed with water to make a paste. A little bit of the yolk is put into a hanky and squeezed into the tank. TRY AND GET THE GREEN WATER GOING, There is more food in that than there is in the egg yolk and it is natural. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PENEJANE Posted March 26, 2006 Author Report Share Posted March 26, 2006 yeah I have got two 1ltr containers of green water going but I have no idea when its safe to use. I don't have any lettuce so I added a piece of courgette (heard it has worked for others fine). The water when looking down from top has a green tinge to it but thats all. How do I know when its safe to use? Cheers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AMAZONIAN Posted March 26, 2006 Report Share Posted March 26, 2006 Hi PJ water left sitting in a container will go green naturally. The spores of all sorts of algae and microscopic animalcules are in the air all the time and will settle in your containers, believe me. As I mentioned earlier, Glass is the best as it lets light in from every angle and allows the spores to multiply. The greenness of the water is only algae breeding and increasing due to "Photosynthesis" as algae are only microscopic plants and they require light to grow. DONT PANIC................ You're doing OK, just take your time and take POSITIVE STEPS and within 6 months you'll have heaps of saleable Betta's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alanmin4304 Posted March 26, 2006 Report Share Posted March 26, 2006 Egg yolk is good food value but it is very easy to overfeed and cause a bacterial bloom which can deplete the oxygen. That is one advantage of green water. As Amazonian says, water left in the sun will go green. Try leaving some of the water from water changes out it will have more nutrient to encourage microorganism growth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PENEJANE Posted March 26, 2006 Author Report Share Posted March 26, 2006 ok my main consern is how green is the water supposed to be? When is it safe to use? As I said I have two 1ltr containers and the water has a slight green tinge to it but I don't know if that is safe to use yet or not. Bubbas are still pointing up as of this morning and dad is still doing a good job of grabbing the stragglers and putting them back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AMAZONIAN Posted March 26, 2006 Report Share Posted March 26, 2006 Hi PJ The question of "How green should the water be?" How long is a piece of string? I use "Green Water" when you cant see through the jar. Remember it is only Algae and micro organisms so it will be natural with no bugs or bacteria. Just leave your container in the sun for a few days before you use it. Again, Good Luck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PENEJANE Posted March 26, 2006 Author Report Share Posted March 26, 2006 what about water from the pond? Its been there for months, doesn't have a filter so the water is still. There is even some mozzie lavae in there hehe. I also have one of the baby baths outside with drift wood in it (trying to get it to sink) That has been outside in the sun for the past 2 weeks. Would the water from there be ok to use? Still as I said when I put some in a container its clear yet it looks green in the tub lol Cheers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alanmin4304 Posted March 26, 2006 Report Share Posted March 26, 2006 Goldfish usually carry lots of parasites which they can live with but a baby betta might have a struggle. I would stay away from water from a goldfish pond. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PENEJANE Posted March 26, 2006 Author Report Share Posted March 26, 2006 sorry I should of mentioned it before but its not goldfish. It white cloud mountian minnows in the pond (well its actually a bath tub hehe) I don't have goldfish. Would that still affect them? Cheers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alanmin4304 Posted March 27, 2006 Report Share Posted March 27, 2006 It will have more life in it than tapwater ( one would hope) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
livebearer_breeder Posted March 27, 2006 Report Share Posted March 27, 2006 Why bother with green water when you can feed them BBS straight off? Shae Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PENEJANE Posted March 27, 2006 Author Report Share Posted March 27, 2006 Easier said than done Shae lol I don't have any eggs to hatch and don't have the money to get any more (all being put into jars and making tanks to house them when they get to big for the 15ltr tank) Thats why I wanted things that I could do from home Cheers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
livebearer_breeder Posted March 27, 2006 Report Share Posted March 27, 2006 Fair enough. BS is worth investing in though, for the future at any rate. Shae Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PENEJANE Posted March 27, 2006 Author Report Share Posted March 27, 2006 Yeah I would love to get some more bbs to hatch but I don't want to pay the $23 at the LFS for a small test tube and I can't quite afford to get it via the NZKA either at hte moment lol. Maybe (depending on how may survive) I can get some with selling some bettas off in the future Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mustcooktea Posted March 29, 2006 Report Share Posted March 29, 2006 How's everything going with the fry, Penejane? MCT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PENEJANE Posted March 29, 2006 Author Report Share Posted March 29, 2006 Awesome so far :bounce: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AMAZONIAN Posted March 30, 2006 Report Share Posted March 30, 2006 Hi PJ, The fry should be swimming freely about now and getting fat bellies with the "Green Water" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PENEJANE Posted April 19, 2006 Author Report Share Posted April 19, 2006 YAY!! My crowntail spawned today! I am totaly over the moon. I now have half moon and ct betta fry on the go. :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LYNDYLOO Posted April 19, 2006 Report Share Posted April 19, 2006 WOOHOO, Awesome stuff PJ, man you must have soooooo many bubbas right now, goodness knows just where you gonna put them all You can always send some up to Aunty Lynda to look after aye. Good Luck, hope it all goes well. :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: Lynda Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AMAZONIAN Posted April 19, 2006 Report Share Posted April 19, 2006 Go Pene :bounce: But remember and NOTE THIS WELL; It is fine breeding Betta's as they are beautiful fish; what you must not overlook is that to get them big and beautiful they have to be housed in their own space (AGEE Jam Jars are Great) and cleaned daily, as well as fed on copious amounts of live food. The space required for the jars from one spawning alone can cover a wall, a hundred males per spawning is not uncommon. There is one way that you can cut down on jars for the males though, let nature take it's course and only the biggest and fittest will survive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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