lduncan Posted September 3, 2005 Report Share Posted September 3, 2005 Pies, this is from the letter here http://www.fnzas.org.nz/letter/ : We (the New Zealand Importers, Retailers and Hobbyists (FNZAS)) are responsible for creating the proof of which species currently exist in New Zealand (this includes species that are not on the current permitted species list) and which species are currently being imported. So it looks like we can submit species from a Genus which is not currently on the allowed list. Is that correct Warren? What are the risks in doing that, if any? The lionfish may be covered under another restriction (venomous animals or something like that)? Layton Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lduncan Posted September 3, 2005 Report Share Posted September 3, 2005 live rock That's another thing which needs to be looked at, and handled somehow. We should at least be able to get dry base rock. Layton Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan Posted September 3, 2005 Report Share Posted September 3, 2005 If it is a banned species, Show it Loose it Betcha There used to be a clause that said if the fish is on non-permitted list and was in NZ before a set date, late '98, it was deemed allowable. eg. whiteclouds Don't know even if this exists now. So I'd be very ffee about "specials' Alan 104 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reef Posted September 3, 2005 Report Share Posted September 3, 2005 The fish needs to be on the current maf list and others that are in nz will be considered. The lionfish may be covered under another restriction (venomous animals or something like that)? that is correct That's another thing which needs to be looked at, and handled somehow. We should at least be able to get dry base rock. Dry rock can still come in Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pies Posted September 3, 2005 Report Share Posted September 3, 2005 If it is a banned species, Show it Loose it Well if thats the case I definalty don't have a Lionfish or Moray eel. Lists, bah. Its not like anyone pays any attention to them anyway. What a complete waste of time for all involved. Pie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lduncan Posted September 3, 2005 Report Share Posted September 3, 2005 What a complete waste of time for all involved. It sure is, but the law is the law, and if nothing is produced by this review, then nothing will be allowed in. It will kill a whole industry and hobby. And the deadline seems very soon 15th of October! It's a LOT of work to get done. Layton Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warren Posted September 3, 2005 Report Share Posted September 3, 2005 It's negative attitudes like these that will stuff your hobby. If you don't act there will be no more imports. I suppose you'll want to complain about that too! Stop whining about it and get on with it... If it's a fish you're already not allowed to keep then don't list it. If you don't care enough about you hobby to support it then you'd better be quiet when it's gone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warren Posted September 3, 2005 Report Share Posted September 3, 2005 It sure is, but the law is the law, and if nothing is produced by this review, then nothing will be allowed in. It will kill a whole industry and hobby. And the deadline seems very soon 15th of October! It's a LOT of work to get done. Layton The deadline is now 15th November... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brianemone Posted September 3, 2005 Author Report Share Posted September 3, 2005 so the list is only getting smaller :-? so much for getting a cool little shrimp goby Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reef Posted October 20, 2005 Report Share Posted October 20, 2005 Been working on the new MAF coral/fish list and need some photos of species so i can submit them to see if they can be added to the list. I need photos of the following livestock. if you think i missed something please email me, please email me if you have any of these items on [email protected] Heliofungia actiniformis Herpolitha limax Blastomussa Blastomussa loyae Blastomussa merleti Blastomussa wellsi Nemenzophyllia turbida Scolymia australis Scolymia cubensis Scolymia lacera Scolymia vitiensis Scolymia wellsi Millepora Millepora Dichotoma Millepora Playphylla WELLSOHPHYLLIA RADIATA HELIOPORA COERULEA ricordea yuma ricordea florida amplexidiscus fenestrafer discosoma spp rhodactis cf.inchoata rhodactis cf.indonsinensis rhodactis cf.mussoides Klyxum aasp (Alcyonium sp) Discosoma cardinalis Discosoma coeruleus Discosoma marmoratus Discosoma mutabilis Paralemnalia aasp DENDROPHYLLIA FISTULA /SUN POLYPS (L) LEMNALIA ANTHELIA ALCYONIUM PALMATUS CLAVULARIA VIRIDIS SOLENOPADIUM Lemnalia Discosoma malaccensis (common) Discosoma striatus (stripe) Discosoma marmoratus (marmer) Discosoma ferrugatus (red) Discosoma punctatus (spotted) Discosoma coeruleus (blue) Discosoma coeruleo-striatus Discosoma plumosa Rhodactis cf. Indosinensis Discosoma hairy (green) Discosoma sp. (hairy) Metarhodactis sp. (tong) Metarhodactis sp. (green) Amplexid. fenestrafer pro/ear Ricordea florida Ricordia sp. (Indonesia) Ricordia sp. (Indonesia green hermit crab blue linkia star fish gorgonia turbo snails Nassirius Snail SPIROGRAPHIS SPALLANZANII/WHITE FEATHER DUSTER Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cracker Posted October 20, 2005 Report Share Posted October 20, 2005 orange and purple linckia too! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Feelers Posted October 20, 2005 Report Share Posted October 20, 2005 Out of all the species of tropical fish in the world it does seem a bit pointless to make a list of whats acceptable, perhaps complaining about the decision to make this list would be more usefull, and try to get the process stopped altogether. I would imagine there are lots of people who would be against this. What is the normal process for fighting bureaucracy like this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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reef Posted October 20, 2005 Report Share Posted October 20, 2005 Out of all the species of tropical fish in the world it does seem a bit pointless to make a list of whats acceptable, perhaps complaining about the decision to make this list would be more usefull, and try to get the process stopped altogether. I would imagine there are lots of people who would be against this. What is the normal process for fighting bureaucracy like this? good quote below from warren It's negative attitudes like these that will stuff your hobby. If you don't act there will be no more imports. I suppose you'll want to complain about that too! Stop whining about it and get on with it... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Feelers Posted October 20, 2005 Report Share Posted October 20, 2005 Im not whining, I was asking if there is a way to stop the current process, however "whining en masse" is still able to acheive things. In this case, can anything be done to stop the current system crackdown? Who made the decision at MAF to take these steps? What is the normal process for fighting this sort of thing? For instance if they tried to ban every fish import, what would people do? There must be something? The governement is there to serve us, and whinging en masse is unfortunately how a lot of things get solved. Fart tax for example. Contacting the MAF guy in charge would be a start. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan Posted October 20, 2005 Report Share Posted October 20, 2005 That would be Jim now. Is'nt he the minister for the environment?? Alan 104 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reef Posted October 20, 2005 Report Share Posted October 20, 2005 You can’t do anything about it. Importers are working on it to get a workable list. It is a possibility that items can be added, but to do this we need proof that it is in the country, I need these photos as this is the chance to get them added. Otherwise be prepared to keep just the basic fish and coral. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Feelers Posted October 20, 2005 Report Share Posted October 20, 2005 Why not a letter to Jim then? A torrent of letters from everyone here, it would be great. Any letter addressed to the governemt is required to be replied to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Feelers Posted October 20, 2005 Report Share Posted October 20, 2005 btw reef, its great you are taking the time to list the species for everyone's benefit. I know stopping the process is very unlikely, but its still worth a try, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reef Posted October 20, 2005 Report Share Posted October 20, 2005 I know stopping the process is very unlikely, but its still worth a try, Ok, let me know how you go, contact ERMA in wellington. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klaymann Posted October 20, 2005 Report Share Posted October 20, 2005 Hey Reef , heres sum pics of a hermit , pics taken tonight , but wasn't from me OK hope these help .. sorry don't have macro on the digi' ....hence blurry shots... but he's about 2.5 inch (shell) .. cheers Klay. 8) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Feelers Posted October 20, 2005 Report Share Posted October 20, 2005 Done. I'll let you know when they get back to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klaymann Posted October 20, 2005 Report Share Posted October 20, 2005 Can understand maf/doc having a bitch about freshwater species entering the country and gettin' into the local water systems but how many trop/marine sp would be able to adapt to our coastal ( brass monkey) waters ?... this I cant understand .. having dived off various reefs in asia I can no longer stand dipping my nads in our waters ( spoilt ) .. so how would a trop species adapt !!?? :-? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pies Posted October 20, 2005 Report Share Posted October 20, 2005 Its stupid. Ever look at a map? All the oceans are kinda connected to each other... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lduncan Posted October 20, 2005 Report Share Posted October 20, 2005 ... but would pacific corals introduced by man to the Caribbean reefs survive? ...and vice versa? Just because the oceans are all connected doesn't necessarily mean introduction by man will have no consequences. Layton Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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