BK Posted August 30, 2005 Report Share Posted August 30, 2005 I'ld like to make the point that I have told no one that what they are doing is wrong all I have said that there are many people that use beef and don't have a problem about with it. Statments like Cichlids should've be feed Beef is one sided. If the post stated " from what I've read the use of beef is not recommended for rift lake cichlids" but that is not what was posted. Sorry for having a different view. May be you should rigth your own book and every one should follow it a 100%. It must be hard being so rigth about every thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BK Posted August 30, 2005 Report Share Posted August 30, 2005 Justin you have only just joined and and are all ready passing comments on other members. I read info and make my own mind up and don't tell people that they are wrong and that I know every thing. Best you go hug your mate John Howard as he nows what best for everyone as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BK Posted August 30, 2005 Report Share Posted August 30, 2005 Replace Justin with Bard in last post. Must make note to self check with Bard and Justin first as they know every thing and don't want to do something or have a different opinion than them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freakyfish Posted August 30, 2005 Report Share Posted August 30, 2005 Bk sorry i never said that what you do with your fish is wrong and i never said my views were the correct one and the only one All i pointed out what that you said about opinions and facts was incorrect You cant look at a beef heart that was trimmed of fat and say its fat free There will always be different opinions with fish as this will never change hence the fact people get different results on their fish Brad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan Posted August 30, 2005 Report Share Posted August 30, 2005 BK said: May be you should rigth your own book and every one should follow it a 100%. It must be hard being so rigth about every thing. To whom are you referring when you say that?? I write a newsletter, and at times I'm sure it's long enough to be classified as a book. Alan 104 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan Posted August 30, 2005 Report Share Posted August 30, 2005 Freakyfish said You cant look at a beef heart that was trimmed of fat and say its fat free If you have a look again at my post I DIDN'T say it WAS fat-free. I said it was a terminology for meat that had had all VISIBLE signs of fat removed. Alan 104 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BK Posted August 31, 2005 Report Share Posted August 31, 2005 Alan that comment wasn't about you. What I'm saying is there is a lot of info out there and you have to make up your on mind. Posting comment that belittle people is a waste of every ones time. cough cough. I allso dont really care how its spelled as long as I can understand it. Bring up peoples spelling is like calling some one fat/skinny. All I posted was that I disagree with some comments and then had why comments belittled as well as other Discus breeders as bring a different breed??? At no time have I belittle any other post apart from when I've been belittle all I have done is disagree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freakyfish Posted August 31, 2005 Report Share Posted August 31, 2005 Try feeding them fat free beef heart, or worms, or snails, the garden variety. There is heaps to feed them without resorting to fighters as fodder. This is the sort of things the Sigh-kia-atrist use, to say that the person so doing, is a potential murderer. Actually alan you did say it was fat free in this post If it had been posted saying that you could use Beef heart that was trimmed of fat then this would have been correct From owning aquarium shops i do notice that some people will take things literally so therefore it is quite possible that people will look for "fat free" beef heart when it doesnt exist Brad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
herefishiefishie Posted August 31, 2005 Report Share Posted August 31, 2005 Now now BK don't be like that. Firstly there enough good books out there to read, without me adding to the collection. :lol: Don't take the discus keepers are their own breed to heart, it's an in house joke with cichlid keepers here, sorry don't know about NZ. There are even sites that won't allow discus conversations, as they are classed as hybrids by many. Once upon a Time, (Good start? ) I had some Red Melons & Turqs. Maybe if you posted, Can you please state your reasoning why the bloodworm and tubifex can't be fed??? Instead of Facts please not your opinion. Then I wouldn't of posted the way I did. As for me being 100% right, I am lucky to know a few people who have been in the industry 20 plus years, I know nothing about cichlids compared to them & they are still learning new things. I am the first to admit I know nothing & in this hobby especially, noone knows everyting. The fact I posted don't feed beef heart comes from itcholigist's, who am I to argue with them? It was advice, then given with reasons, as people asked why? Take it or leave it, simple as that. Feed your fish what you like. Obviously bk you only read what you want you want to see I agree with that, (except Brad "you want" twice, lol) As for the fat free Beef heart, I think we all know what Alan meant. Also Alan what is the interst in killies likein NZ, seem to be a very limited number of people who have them here. Frenchy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan Posted August 31, 2005 Report Share Posted August 31, 2005 Last year we had close to 40 members nation wide We are a very close, keen group with some real gun-breeders and in the last two years have built up the stocks of existing killies and the few new imports that have been imported into NZ. The breeds seem to be getting more secure by the week. Always keen to meet other killi-keepers from overseas to share, experiances. Alan 104 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
herefishiefishie Posted August 31, 2005 Report Share Posted August 31, 2005 From my years of hanging around shops & working (Brad would say annoy) I have only meet 3 to 4 serious killie keepers. One guy Bert(lovely chap) late 70's I think. He is a killie addict, he visits a site in Singapore(I think) you may know it, the site is very political correct, eg; spelling, language...... The one thing that amazes me with killies, is the way scientific names can't be agreed on in some species. :roll: If you want I will get in contact with Bert and point him in this direction. I wonder why killies don't have more following, beautiful looking fish, easy to care for. I know they have a limited life span. But so do fighters. Frenchy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan Posted August 31, 2005 Report Share Posted August 31, 2005 Would appreciate that. Thanks. Be good to meet someone nearer my age. :lol: As for their life span, it is really only short because they, some, have adapted to their environment where the pools have a limited time. Others can and do last for some years. Alan 104 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craig Posted August 31, 2005 Report Share Posted August 31, 2005 calm down kids, when was the last time any of you's saw a discus or african chasing a cow around a paddock. no one has mentioned what beef heart and bloodworm actually do to your water quality. i have had duboisi fall over real quick on bloodworm, before i found out about their extra long digestive tract. blood worm is a killer to them so is tetra bits.both beef heart and bloodworm extra high in protein so to much of, and ph value plumets. no all that bad for discus but not good in africans.not to mention ammonia problems in high ph of the african tank. i don't know all just speaking from experence with my own tanks. water quality very important to all fish and the food you feed makes all the difference between good and bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
herefishiefishie Posted September 1, 2005 Report Share Posted September 1, 2005 You are right Craig about the water quality too. Ammonia spikes quicker in higher ph levels. Just a footnote, if African Cichlid keepers want to raise there ph, if it has dropped, this should be done with a partial water change. Reason being the free ammonium is then suddenly converted to toxic ammonia..... A discus keeper that visit's Brads shop, uses Beef Heart just once a week, & its the day he does his water changes. He has noted a film on the water after feeding beef heart. Tropheus are probably the worst affected Cichlid for Malawi Bloat. Everythime a shop sells one, what to feed information should go with them. Frenchy ps; Alan, I sent a pm to Bert so hopefully he replies. I don't think he visit's the net as often as some. :oops: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craig Posted September 1, 2005 Report Share Posted September 1, 2005 hi there dude in gold coast, i run a calcite substrate with dolimite rocks in 6-2-2 with 2 adult male frontosa's and 8 females, 1 tropheus moori and 1 compresiceps. i have a nice brown algae over the rocks, the tropheus keeps in control. i meet the big wig from germany [JBL] dude at a conference, i asked him why i have never had a ammonia problem running a ph of 8.3-8.5 his reply was how much brown algae was in my tank, i told him he said that the algae was supplying a sml ammount of nitrate[ harmless] and that is what was combating the ammonia. i feed my fronts every 2 days and when i want a particular female to have babes i feed her for 2 days on prawns, next day babes in mouth. my filtration is simple over the top trickle system the lengh of the tank. i water change once a month 20% anymore and they pack sad. if you run your africans tanks right ie substrate etc and don't over feed your ph should not fall to dangerous levels, my tank might drop at max 8.0. took 5 yrs to master, front's hate sml air-bubbles too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malawi_man Posted September 2, 2005 Report Share Posted September 2, 2005 craig, is you compressiceps an altolamprologus compressiceps or dimidiochromis compressiceps? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
herefishiefishie Posted September 2, 2005 Report Share Posted September 2, 2005 Never have a problem myself, no brown algae either. I use Calcium Carb in the substarct, most tanks have shells too,(breeding & decoration) I use a buffer every now & then too. So touch wood haven't ever had to worry about dropping ph. If your tank is well cycled & water changes are kept up, then ammonia should never be a worry. Yes small water changes are best for Tangy's, to much new water upsets them. Alto's(comps & calvus) too. I personally go for about 15 to 20% every week or two & I airate the new water for a day or two in a drum, add a bit of salt...so when I add water to the tanks its similar to the tanks conditions. Frenchy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craig Posted September 2, 2005 Report Share Posted September 2, 2005 kribkrazy, he is a lamprologus compressiceps [gold face] i had 8 but they were causing to much trouble with the fronts when they were doing the breedy thing, so i sold all but one, only cause i couldn't catch the s--t. organizm had a couple of calvus last month, they came in as compressiceps.they went out the door at $120.00 i think. gold coast dude, you don't want to buff your tank to often as it doesn't break down and sooner or later it turns toxic. i can't remember exactly what it is that doesn't break down its something in the bicarbonate, you might already know. same for discus buffing down. damn wish i could remember. will ask the old boy next time i see him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malawi_man Posted September 2, 2005 Report Share Posted September 2, 2005 hmmm calvus, would like to get hold of some of them, i have a pair of comps. (altolamprologus) that i am trying to breed, the male was being to agressive to the female so i separated them for a while. do you know who got the calvus, with this new import thingy, we could get them on the list, what variation were they?? black white?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craig Posted September 3, 2005 Report Share Posted September 3, 2005 no sorry don't know who got them, they looked pretty gold in colour to me. they are not the only ones in nz anyway some guy up there has plenty, he is probably one of the guys i have sold fronts too.do you guys relise that they have only given the importers 7 days to make lists, it took MAF three yrs to get the submission ready, how long do you think it will take them to sort out the lists when they are returned hmm[years].even with pics of fish that are already here that does not mean they are in. i would like some info for the people who have illegal fishies, what happens to our fish if maf say no. do we get our fish destroyed, its a bit fishie if you ask me. if they say that our fish are safe regardless. i would be quite happy to submit signed pics. worth a thought aye! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craig Posted September 3, 2005 Report Share Posted September 3, 2005 well it looks like, the importers might have to the 15 nov. i hope so this is a huge task for everyone. more input, more fish. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tanksman Posted January 30, 2006 Report Share Posted January 30, 2006 I feed my fish in my mbuna/hap 800litre tank frozen shrimps sometimes (from the supermarket and their colour imporved after a week or so. a greshakei (white body and orange fins) started getting a blue tinge to him. oh yeah and are mealworms alright, dad breeds them in the garage for his birds, he just feeds them banana peels and they are just in this bran stuff, no pollution So theres lots of opinions around on what not to feed - What are peoples thoughts on feeding frozen shrimp (prawns i think) - small amount, cut up fine, say once a week to ominivorous cichlids. Since I am lazy and cannot get any camels Oh and I'd love some mealworms Krib Some of you from above in this thread may feel I am picking a scab. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malawi_man Posted January 30, 2006 Report Share Posted January 30, 2006 my malawis just love the shrimps, they rip them to pieces, also bristlenoses seem to chomp through them quite happily. The only other guy i have met that feeds shrimps to malawis was graeme from hastings and i cleaned him out of malawis so that just leaves me lol. I'm sure i can get you a small container of them for $5 look up some info on culturing them and let me know if you want. oh btw what sort of cichlids, i dont cut up my shrimps, i just chuck them in whole, the big fish chew them up and scraps come out their gills for the smaller fish. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tanksman Posted January 30, 2006 Report Share Posted January 30, 2006 I've been looking at something to have in the freeza for my new Tangs - N Pulcher. I have white worms, microworms, flake, and when I remember (which is never) I get daphnia from Goldfish bowl. I want to set up an outdoor water container to get mozzie larvae. I think I would have to cut the shrimp up because the pulchers are still small around 3 - 4 cm. I would be keen - BTW do we have a club night on Sunday?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan Posted January 30, 2006 Report Share Posted January 30, 2006 Waikato have their club night on the first Sunday of the month. I haven't got a Newsletter this month. TM get in touch with Dave to confirm. Alan 104 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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