Drifty Posted August 17, 2005 Report Share Posted August 17, 2005 try ulrich aluminium Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wasp Posted August 17, 2005 Report Share Posted August 17, 2005 What about that reflective stuff at the magic gardener Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ira Posted August 17, 2005 Report Share Posted August 17, 2005 Mylar film, you mean? I was going to suggest that, but then remembered we're talking for near metal halides. I don't think the film would handle the heat well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wasp Posted August 17, 2005 Report Share Posted August 17, 2005 Hmmm... Perhaps that's it, anyhow it's that silver paper stuff people line the inside of the cabinet with if they are that way inclined, incredibly shiny stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chimera Posted August 24, 2005 Author Report Share Posted August 24, 2005 i've decided i'm going to jump on the zeovit boat. have already read the documents and had some discussion with brendan. i guess it stems from my laziness more than anything, i do tend to overfeed a little, especially because the regal angel requires such a particular diet. some of my corals have probably adjusted to the level of nutrients that currently exist (they are undectable, but I know they are there!) and do show signs of nice colouration (just not enough). generally sps growth is fantastic, colouration is lacking. i notice a couple small patches of slime algae (and strangely a patch under my seaswirl of black stringy algae - anyone seen this? lack of light and flow im picking?) so am taking that as evidence of nutrient levels. i dont believe the extra light i added to be a waste of money as the tank definately needed it (have to raise it higher though, it's killer bright and makes the middle look washed out) better aesthetics at least. now im just keen to get zeovit going and see how well the corals react. will be over a while of course as sps don't like sudden change. however at least i will find out whether the two chocolate brown acro's i got from reef are naturally brown or will show signs of colour... :-? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cookie extreme Posted August 24, 2005 Report Share Posted August 24, 2005 welcome to the club. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pies Posted August 24, 2005 Report Share Posted August 24, 2005 Chocolate brown is not a natural colour for Acropora (although brown is). I'll take a photo of some of the chocolate browns i've had from Reef and show you how they look now. Good luck with the Zeovit. I would follow Brendons advice to the letter (don't change tact based on what you read here or anywhere else). I 'eased' my tank into it when I was using it, and had a few teething problems, but overall it worked exactly as stated, and if I could afford it I would still use it today. Pie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brianemone Posted August 24, 2005 Report Share Posted August 24, 2005 i guess thats one draw back of such a large tank ill be following you progress chimera, make sure to get lots of before shots Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chimera Posted August 24, 2005 Author Report Share Posted August 24, 2005 will do. i look at someone like pies tank, thats large, but then i guess he feeds stuff all and has such a massive podpulation - thats gotta help! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pies Posted August 24, 2005 Report Share Posted August 24, 2005 What helps my tank the most, in my opnion/experance is good water quality and stability. I don't mess with my tank much, and my water paramaters are stable. I have lots of pods, but that makes sense given that I have over 1000 litres of water out of the primary display. I also have lit areas, and perminant dark areas for different life. I use hybrid methods, borrowing from everything - Heavy Skimmer and lots of live rock (berlin), DSB, BB, Sediment Catchs, Carbon, Filter wool, Reverse cycle lighting, Calurpa growth, Kalkwasser, Water Changes, heavy random water flow, powerfull lighting, spread spectrum lighting etc etc. But I still belive the the key is stability. My hands in the tank maybee 2x a month. who knows. Pie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lduncan Posted August 24, 2005 Report Share Posted August 24, 2005 Don't forget the iron. Layton Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pies Posted August 24, 2005 Report Share Posted August 24, 2005 Don't forget the iron. ? Pie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lduncan Posted August 24, 2005 Report Share Posted August 24, 2005 You run rowaphos right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pies Posted August 24, 2005 Report Share Posted August 24, 2005 Nope. I do use the Aquamedic zeolite phosphate binder. Pie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wasp Posted August 24, 2005 Report Share Posted August 24, 2005 i've decided i'm going to jump on the zeovit boat. Chimera - No! Please don't do it!! You have obviously been led astray and have not done your homework on this, or you would not make such a mistake. If you had done some more reading of the FACTS you would know going zeovit is a mistake. You must have missed them, so here are some FACTS, quoted from some noteable chat site authorities :- "Zeovit is a scam" "The inventor, Thomas Pohl, is a liar" "It poisons the corals" "It leaches something into the water" "It has just been proved that Zeobac does not contain any bacteria. The honest truth is it is more likely to be urine". "Thomas Pohl should be sued in an American court" "It is snake oil" "Brown ones are healthy" "It stops test kits working properly, so you think your water is good, but it isn't" "Zeovit makes coral colours go wild and unnatural" "The coral looks healthy and grows fast because it is being poisoned" "It might have serious consequences for the long term health of the tank" "There is only one good zeovit tank in the world, and the pictures from it have been photoshopped" "It is not natural" And worst of all, now that everybody is jumping on the bandwagon, my own tank will soon no longer have that special advantage over other tanks. :lol: :lol: :lol: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cookie extreme Posted August 24, 2005 Report Share Posted August 24, 2005 you missed one "i am a 19 year old student who knows it all so don't use it because its bad just can't tell you why" sorry had to take the piss no offence to anyone this may apply to Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chimera Posted August 24, 2005 Author Report Share Posted August 24, 2005 :lol: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lduncan Posted August 24, 2005 Report Share Posted August 24, 2005 you missed one "i am a 19 year old student who knows it all so don't use it because its bad just can't tell you why" sorry had to take the piss no offence to anyone this may apply to Subtle as a brick. (But as usual completely inaccurate). At least the guide now sheds some light on it: "... shown to cause slow tissue loss in SPS corals" "... lead to tissue necrosis and therefore death." "... tissue loss starting from the coral tips or the complete loss of all tissue within a short period of time (i.e. rapid tissue necrosis, RTN)." "... can lead to tissue loss from the base, especially in weak corals and corals which are already damaged." "... slowly progressing tissue loss from the base." "... as well as complete loss or all tissue in certain corals during your tanks dark period." "... fast tissue loss of an entire coral branch over a short period of time." Even the guide is telling you it's not good, in it's own subtle way. At least no one can go in blind now though. Also I guess it's good they reformulated some of their products too. Each to their own. Just keep the bullshit out of it though, base stuff on fact rather than marketing speak, and made up quotes. Layton Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wasp Posted August 24, 2005 Report Share Posted August 24, 2005 Just to be fair, not all my quotes were from you Layton. I said authorities (plural). It was really just meant to be lighthearted. They have all genuinely been said though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lduncan Posted August 24, 2005 Report Share Posted August 24, 2005 Just to be fair, not all my quotes were from you Layton. I said authorities (plural). It was really just meant to be lighthearted. They are all genuine quotes though. I know it was meant to be lighthearted. Clearly some of them are just people talking crap. Some of the statements are actually true, some are possible, and some of them are good questions. I count about 5 in that list which i would say are true / possible / or a question I have asked. Layton Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chimera Posted August 24, 2005 Author Report Share Posted August 24, 2005 "... shown to cause slow tissue loss in SPS corals" "... lead to tissue necrosis and therefore death." "... tissue loss starting from the coral tips or the complete loss of all tissue within a short period of time (i.e. rapid tissue necrosis, RTN)." "... can lead to tissue loss from the base, especially in weak corals and corals which are already damaged." "... slowly progressing tissue loss from the base." "... as well as complete loss or all tissue in certain corals during your tanks dark period." "... fast tissue loss of an entire coral branch over a short period of time." as far as I can read, this will only happen if you overdose and don't keep with the program. a bit like topping up evaporation with saltwater, like running a calcium reactor too rich, like dosing trace elements without calculating what you actually need first... anything you overdose on is likely to cause these things. not everything needs to be scientifically proven - if it's visibly better on a greater majority of tanks than thats proof to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pies Posted August 24, 2005 Report Share Posted August 24, 2005 I know I shouldn't laugh, but I had too. hahahahaha Poor evil Zeovit. Poor evil Thomas Phol. Peace out. Pie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klaymann Posted August 24, 2005 Report Share Posted August 24, 2005 Zeovit = tank on steroids !? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chimera Posted August 24, 2005 Author Report Share Posted August 24, 2005 http://www.wetwebmedia.com/ca/cav1i3/zeovit/Zeolite_Filters/Zeolite_Filters.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lduncan Posted August 24, 2005 Report Share Posted August 24, 2005 Zeovit = tank on steroids !? Not quite. But i've heard of a reef keeper in Italy dosing HGH (human growth hormone). Might have a bit of trouble getting your hands on somatotropin here though, unless you've got some celebrity contacts that is. ;-) Layton Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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