livingart Posted November 26, 2013 Author Report Share Posted November 26, 2013 A smaller gene pool can produce a variety of mutations also Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dragonz1833 Posted November 26, 2013 Report Share Posted November 26, 2013 that is true just taking us a hell lot of more work and longer im hopefully going to have something cool in a seson or 2 fingers crossed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
long john Posted November 26, 2013 Report Share Posted November 26, 2013 indeed. They'll express themselves pretty quickly too but if a specific mutation is not present in the founder population, then it's not present, end of story (spontaneous mutations aside). You might get the same phenotype expressing eventually but the chance of the genetic causes of it being identical to overseas examples is very very small? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alanmin4304 Posted November 26, 2013 Report Share Posted November 26, 2013 Very large geckos are not likely to be established genetically in the very few generations that we have had them in New Zealand but more than likely caused by too much of the wrong food. Dark yellow to orange hatchlings that revert to normals as adults may not be genetic as well but may be caused by some environmental factor. There are some interesting morphs popping up (such as the whites held by rabbit) and there is the start of other factors such as flashes of orange but these will take many more generations to develop to something permanent. I have the original mack snows that were bred by someone who had bred the very fancy varieties while living overseas and they were confirmed as mack snows by the experts on overseas forums. I have added more since and now have two unrelated breeding colonies. I have made one available for anyone who wants to breed this strain or others related to it and anyone that only wants to bad mouth will be blacklisted like muck05 (whoever he or she may be). Good luck all you serious gecko breeders. lizardlover 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
livingart Posted November 26, 2013 Author Report Share Posted November 26, 2013 The chances of 'Sports' can be greater but faults can be increased also, ensuring your progeny develop to adults properly is paramount to keep genetic lines clean. Some inherited weaknesses can take a few years to become apparent, breeding immature animals can hide these faults for longer, as our available gene pool is so small greater care needs to be taken. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alanmin4304 Posted November 26, 2013 Report Share Posted November 26, 2013 I agree. Another concern I have is the tendency by some reptile breeders to overfeed or feed the wrong food in order to get the reptiles to a "mature" size in order to breed them sooner. This has caused problems in the tortoise, turtle and bearded dragon populations and there is no reason to assume it will not (if it hasn't happened already) be a problem in the leopard gecko population. This ruins the internal organs of the animals and makes them unable to breed properly (if at all) and who knows what sort of a life it gives the creature. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarrysHerps Posted November 27, 2013 Report Share Posted November 27, 2013 I think we need to realise that just because trademe and this forum dont show other morphs, it doesnt mean they are not in nz, from what I have seen recently, we are doing better than anticipated. I am truly excited for the next few seasons :happy2: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
livingart Posted November 27, 2013 Author Report Share Posted November 27, 2013 yes some don't talk about or show pics of their leps to avoid the naysayers over what their morph types are exactly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exotic Aquatics Posted November 27, 2013 Report Share Posted November 27, 2013 I reckon we should just be grate full we are aloud to keep these beautiful reptiles, morph and colouring is a bonus. :thup: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alanmin4304 Posted November 27, 2013 Report Share Posted November 27, 2013 The Ausies get the native snakes but not the leopard geckos. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
livingart Posted November 29, 2013 Author Report Share Posted November 29, 2013 to just solve this bullshit i have spoken to macks reptiles (founders) and sent them pics and we can wait for the verdict if i am wrong i will do an apologie no probs as i was doing abit of a dig at the seller that was un called for Did your friends from the US of A ring back and give you an answer yet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dragonz1833 Posted November 29, 2013 Report Share Posted November 29, 2013 nah not yet could be because thank giving will post soon as the say though and not friends just the founders Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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