Ice222 Posted November 2, 2011 Report Share Posted November 2, 2011 I'm seriously considering getting a dog, been thinking of getting one for over a year, and the one I saw and think I want is 3/4 Dachshund, 1/4 Papilion. I don't actually know that much about breeds and genetic disposition to problems, but from what I found online, pure dachshunds can be prone to a lot of problems due to their body shape. Now if this wasn't NZ, DNA tested dogs would probably beat any mixed without a background, but here with our limited number of breeders willing to spend that kind of money, do you think a dog with 1/4 papilion background would have a higher chance of better health? Of course, there can be no guarantee, but apparently papilions are generally quite healthy for a purebreed, especially for a small dog since small dogs seem to be prone to a wide variety of genetic probs. Now I'm saying that the breeder's dachshund definitely has bad genes, but just that that particular breed is prone to problems and I can't know without them tested. I would still treat the dog more or less as a dachshund, ie, supporting the hind when I pick it up, try train it not to jump or climb, keep an eye on it's weight to ensure it doesn't go over weight, but just curious as to whether or not papilion genes could decrease the chance of problems compared to a purebreed dachshund. Edit: What is the estimated cost of neutering a small dog like this? I have 0 intention to breed from it so might as well be a responsible owner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jc254 Posted November 2, 2011 Report Share Posted November 2, 2011 I think a pap would increase the chances of problems. Small breed dogs are prone to problems with their hips due to the joints not forming properly, when running it will slip out and looks like they have broken their legs (scared the crap out of me when mine did this) It runs genetically and costs 1500 per leg or 2000 if you get both done at the same time but most times one will go then the other. I would avoid that X in my opinion just asking for vet bills Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephanie Posted November 2, 2011 Report Share Posted November 2, 2011 I have a small/medium sized dog, a south Auckland special, with a bit of Jack Russel and Chihuahua in him and who knows what else and he occasionally has leg issues. He hurt himself jumping from a decent height one day and since then he's had a couple more episodes with it. Hasn't happened in a while thankfully, but he's due for a checkup soon and i'll probably get him x-rays and make sure it's nothing that will affect him in the future, if it is we shall deal with it, but i've been told it was probably just weak from hurting it the first time. Now someone has mentioned genetics it concerns me even more. Better to be safe than sorry. I think issues could arise in any dog, I briefly looked at pugs a few years ago, but they apparently have breathing problems due to their short snout. I don't think anyone could give you a proper answer, some people say purebred dogs, others say mongrels have less problems. I don't believe that being a cross it has a higher chance of being a healthier dog. I guess at least if you changed your mind and went with a purebred dog you could talk to the breeder about any problems they might have. With my dog I have no idea of his breeding history and i'm just happy that the vet has said he's in good health! I think regardless it's a bit of a gamble no matter which breed you choose and you just have to be prepared in case anything terrible does happen. In regard to desexing I paid $140 for my boy to be done which included pain relief but it may be cheaper in Auckland, I wouldn't know. I do know that it's more expensive for a female to be fixed, I think about $200, but that was in Taupo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ice222 Posted November 2, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 2, 2011 I think a pap would increase the chances of problems. Small breed dogs are prone to problems with their hips due to the joints not forming properly, when running it will slip out and looks like they have broken their legs (scared the crap out of me when mine did this) It runs genetically and costs 1500 per leg or 2000 if you get both done at the same time but most times one will go then the other. I would avoid that X in my opinion just asking for vet bills Dachshunds are already small dogs though, so unless if Papilions are more prone to it than dachshunds, won't a cross just be of equal, not greater risk? By the way, is it a papilion you have? And when you get the legs treated, is it a one off fix, or is it something that can happen again easily despite treatment? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JazzyJeff Posted November 2, 2011 Report Share Posted November 2, 2011 I have been exposed to dogs of all ages in my working career and in my sport (agility) for 15 or so years. I have seen many Dachsunds and Papilion's - very few had health issues. My mum & auntie both had a mini long hair daccy's all thru my childhood - both lived to a ripe old age. Only prob mum's had was a broke it leg when it fell from the parcel shelf of the car in a car accident. As for hip probs and luxating patella's, I have seen very few in smaller breeds in proportion to numbers of dogs I have seen. Mostly the probs I have seen have been bad teeth, overweight, under/overshot jaws or umbilical hernia . If you have seen someone with this cross perhaps you could talk to them? How old was the dog? Who bred it? Blah blah blah. What ever you do you are taking a risk, weather it be pure bred or a cross... at the end of the day, If you want to own a dog, insure it and make sure you are willing to spend money on it. Everyone will offer you advice - take what you need from those that do - put value in the advice from those that are quailifed... Vets for health & Nutrition, Trainers for training, groomers for grooming. Owning a dog is a luxury and carries many benefits and it is very true, the more you put in (time & care) the more you get out. IMO :lol: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ice222 Posted November 2, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 2, 2011 I have been exposed to dogs of all ages in my working career and in my sport (agility) for 15 or so years. I have seen many Dachsunds and Papilion's - very few had health issues. My mum & auntie both had a mini long hair daccy's all thru my childhood - both lived to a ripe old age. Only prob mum's had was a broke it leg when it fell from the parcel shelf of the car in a car accident. As for hip probs and luxating patella's, I have seen very few in smaller breeds in proportion to numbers of dogs I have seen. Mostly the probs I have seen have been bad teeth, overweight, under/overshot jaws or umbilical hernia . If you have seen someone with this cross perhaps you could talk to them? How old was the dog? Who bred it? Blah blah blah. What ever you do you are taking a risk, weather it be pure bred or a cross... at the end of the day, If you want to own a dog, insure it and make sure you are willing to spend money on it. Everyone will offer you advice - take what you need from those that do - put value in the advice from those that are quailifed... Vets for health & Nutrition, Trainers for training, groomers for grooming. Owning a dog is a luxury and carries many benefits and it is very true, the more you put in (time & care) the more you get out. IMO :lol: Good advice. I will look into insuring a dog. Any other general advice for dog keeping? For example, I did not know dogs ears hard to be cleaned until a few years ago when we fostered someone's dog, so just thing like that where someone who hasn't kept a dog, might not know. Atm, I think I know which vet I'd choose, since they are close to my house and supports raw feeding, so I can get good advice on how to do it properly. Planning to get a carrier cage/crate for crate training as well (since the dog will be mostly an inside dog except for walks and outside play). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephanie Posted November 3, 2011 Report Share Posted November 3, 2011 If you do end up getting a dog and going with the crate training method please let me know how it went! I was way too soft on my dog in the beginning, letting him decide where he was going to sleep and whatnot, and although he's turned out to be a great wee dog I ended up paying for it! This horrible adolescent pack leader emerged and walked all over me for months until I finally put my foot down! I probably still let him get away with far too much but he knows his place now he's technically an adult, that's what you get when you treat your dog like a child! I am looking at getting another dog in the next year or two, and even though I think it would be easier having a now mature Rod to look up to, crate training might be the way forward! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ice222 Posted November 3, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 3, 2011 If you do end up getting a dog and going with the crate training method please let me know how it went! I was way too soft on my dog in the beginning, letting him decide where he was going to sleep and whatnot, and although he's turned out to be a great wee dog I ended up paying for it! This horrible adolescent pack leader emerged and walked all over me for months until I finally put my foot down! I probably still let him get away with far too much but he knows his place now he's technically an adult, that's what you get when you treat your dog like a child! I am looking at getting another dog in the next year or two, and even though I think it would be easier having a now mature Rod to look up to, crate training might be the way forward! Yea since this will be a mostly inside dog (of course it will get outside time with walks) and dachshunds are supposedly harder to train, I really need to try and get the crate training right from the start. Fingers crossed that it'll all workout well, it'll certainly help that I can use the downstairs bathroom as a confinement area to kick off the training. I'm actually a very soft person too, I'm not very good at motivating myself, but I do get very motivated by others or my pets, so I think that if I try very hard to be a good doggie 'parent' by being assertive and providing it with good training, routine and discipline, I could in turn be training myself to be better balanced and disciplined too :thup:. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephanie Posted November 3, 2011 Report Share Posted November 3, 2011 Small dogs can be terrible, but I found that about a year they finally develop ears and they're a whole lot more fun, and you can teach them tricks! My dog picked up shake hands and high 5 awfully quickly but he refuses to learn 'Stay!' :roll: I guess that's because it's easier to score treats from my family with cutesy tricks and learning to stay isn't fun for dogs with a teeny tiny attention span! Once they're vaccinated, microchipped, and they've learnt the basics they're so much fun though. I love getting home from work and even if i'm too tired to do much else I always take him down the road where I can let him off the lead and he can run until he's ready to go home, it's always a nice way to end the day and prevents my poor cat getting chased around the house because he has too much energy! I am excited to hear how it all goes in the future! Dogs are awesome! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ice222 Posted November 3, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 3, 2011 Yea I'm just waiting to hear back with my family (who are overseas atm) to make sure they're okay with me getting a pup, since they're coming back to live in feb. Fingers crossed that I can have him. Although I haven't really kept a dog before, only fostered a dalmation, which dad took care of anyway, I think I should be okay with training. I know tricks are easy to teach, even my cat knows, sit, (stand) up, hand, lie down, and roll over, but I'm more worried about making sure they don't develop any behavioral problems, and how to train them out of it if any arise. That could be much harder. I used to do psychology before I changed to study design though, so a handful of things from stage2 behavioral psych might actually come in handy . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sophia Posted November 3, 2011 Report Share Posted November 3, 2011 Have you consulted with the Primary Household member aka The Cat? :cofn: I suspect not, but I know she will have an opinion... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ice222 Posted November 3, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 3, 2011 Have you consulted with the Primary Household member aka The Cat? :cofn: I suspect not, but I know she will have an opinion... I have, but she might not have understood the question since her pose just seemed to say "no comment". Since it's a puppy and not a grown dog, no doubt the cat will probably enforce her role as boss of the house. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sophia Posted November 3, 2011 Report Share Posted November 3, 2011 I may need to come and inspect said puppy one day.... or since Georgia didn't bring her rabbit to fishclub you may have to bring Pooch instead. :love: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryanjury Posted November 3, 2011 Report Share Posted November 3, 2011 lol we have a Maltese x shih tzu shes pretty cool for a small dog pretty bloody stupid but seems ok and far easier than a big dog to handle, no shedding fur no smell etc.. Just a PITA to keep in a section! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ice222 Posted November 3, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 3, 2011 lol we have a Maltese x shih tzu shes pretty cool for a small dog pretty bloody stupid but seems ok and far easier than a big dog to handle, no shedding fur no smell etc.. Just a PITA to keep in a section! lol i've seen your pup ryan . it's like a soft toy, it's amazing the way it lets your kids carry it! Very well behaved. I used to think that all small dogs are constantly hyper. But now i realise a lot of them are only hyper in the first few mins of seeing new people/things. And sofia, IF I am allowed to get the puppy, then you may acost him all you like. Since I will be working this break to pay for it and my dad like animals, he shouldn't be too against a dog, esp since it's just a small one. I'm trying not to get my hopes up too high (who am I kidding :love: ) while I'm, waiting for my dad to reply in the off chance that he's completely against it for some reason. I would not mind bringing doggie along to different places and meeting other animals as long as dogs are allowed. Always good to socialize them to as many different people and things right ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sophia Posted November 3, 2011 Report Share Posted November 3, 2011 Poochie will fit in your bag... no one has to know.... even if I have suggested it on a public forum :rotf: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zuri08 Posted November 3, 2011 Report Share Posted November 3, 2011 Get a dotty mate best dogs I have a sheprad x rotty two of the best breeds the parents were purebred and were champion dogs great with my son aswell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ice222 Posted November 3, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 3, 2011 Get a dotty mate best dogs I have a sheprad x rotty two of the best breeds the parents were purebred and were champion dogs great with my son aswell Since I don't really have much of a yard, the best thing is to have the dog stay indoors so a small one is better suited to my situation. Dachunds are small, but they've got the personality of a big dog, and they're not yappy, when they do bark, it sound like a propper "woof!". I used to want a husky, but they don't suit me, too big, and unless if I can give them hours and hours of exercise every day then it's not fair to them. With a small dog, on a rainy day, I could just do ball chucking and other games in the hallway to keep the dog entertained an exercised. Actually I exercise my cat in the hallways too, get her to chase me while I drag a long straw, she usually ends up getting so tired she starts panting like a dog. I'm gonna have to teach puppy not to roughhouse the cat, but kitty will probably be almost the same size as the dog's adult size, so she can hold her own (or just jump up on a table and chair and the doggie can't reach her) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sophia Posted November 4, 2011 Report Share Posted November 4, 2011 So much planning, Your hopes are wayyy up....I hope your dad is in a good mood for saying yes to darling daughter who he has missed terribly :gigl: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ice222 Posted November 4, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 4, 2011 So much planning, Your hopes are wayyy up....I hope your dad is in a good mood for saying yes to darling daughter who he has missed terribly :gigl: My hopes are waaay up indeed, in a way I thought that if I had a plan, I could present a more convincing argument that I will be a good owner so it would be harder for him to say no. He won't miss me terribly, he's the independent sort . We talk on the phone less than once a month and it's not even to chat really, just to ask each other to do things! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sophia Posted November 4, 2011 Report Share Posted November 4, 2011 But what if you leave home in a year and can't take the dog? He would be left with it and that's the only reason against that I can think of, presuming his wife wouldn't be against it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ice222 Posted November 4, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 4, 2011 But what if you leave home in a year and can't take the dog? He would be left with it and that's the only reason against that I can think of, presuming his wife wouldn't be against it. I wouldn't leave home in a year. Maybe 2 years, when I finish my course. While I know it's much hard to find a place (rental/apartment) that allows pets, I've heard that a lot of people simply say 'no pets' to avoid the trouble, so if you can show them the pet and see that is is quiet, well trained, and won't make a mess there will be places. Wouldn't really go overseas either. I know his wife is not particularly into animals, but she's a somewhat old fashioned lady who puts dad first in everything and gives dad complete control over every decision. Except his health that is. When we throw out his expired food he used to have a fit at me and my sis, now she'll constantly throw out his expired food, and make him eat more veges and say "I don't care if you yell at me, we've got a huge age gap, you're not allowed to die before me, so you listen to me!" :sml1:. Awesome lady really . Although she's not really educated (she's bit gullible), and quite a few things we don't agree on due to our vastly different backgrounds, I've heard of so many people who hate their step parents, so I'm really glad we can get along :thup: . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mcculloch Posted November 5, 2011 Report Share Posted November 5, 2011 I have a 3/4 Cairn terrier 1/4 Jack Russell which is pretty cool a little bit hyper but is calming down as he gets older not many genetic problems with terrier's either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ice222 Posted November 5, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 5, 2011 Finaly managed to get in contact with dad: Me - "daaaad I finally found a sausage dog on trademe and it's cheaper than usual, could I maybe get it :< ?" Dad - "go ahead, as long as you think you'll be okay taking care of it :thup:" Me - "omg I'll take great care of it! [rant about all the plans I have of caring for it]" OMG yesssssssssss :love: ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephanie Posted November 5, 2011 Report Share Posted November 5, 2011 I'm excited for you!! Yay puppy! :thup: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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