wasp Posted February 17, 2005 Report Share Posted February 17, 2005 Well thanks Layton for the kind words re my water quality. I did figure Alois must have told you when you suddenly stopped asking me about it. Nonetheless, compliment accepted. I am still prepared to put all this behind us, provided I can post on the zeovit thread without being told everything I said was wrong when it was not. I'm not here for a huge argument, would prefer sensible discussion. And hey - sensible stocking levels is basic to good reefing. I've seen your stocking levels, about the same as mine considering your tank is way bigger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wasp Posted February 17, 2005 Report Share Posted February 17, 2005 Also, I've had a bunch of emails about getting banned on RC, I'm just off to work so will answer them here. For what it's worth I couldn't care less about it, it's a joke. I'm still chatting there, just not called wasp any more :lol: :lol: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lduncan Posted February 17, 2005 Report Share Posted February 17, 2005 Well thanks Layton for the kind words re my water quality. I did figure Alois must have told you when you suddenly stopped asking me about it. Nonetheless, compliment accepted. Water quality is irrelevant to the topic we were discussing, thats why I stopped. Not because I was surprised. I am still prepared to put all this behind us, provided I can post on the zeovit thread without being told everything I said was wrong when it was not. But the fact is, is that put into the appropriate context, some of what you are saying does not happen, so it is wrong. Layton Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RnB Posted February 17, 2005 Report Share Posted February 17, 2005 and then i saw her, eating the last of my molenburg........ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wasp Posted February 17, 2005 Report Share Posted February 17, 2005 Oh, looks like you're not prepared to put it behind us. Worth a shot, but I guess I should have figured. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lduncan Posted February 17, 2005 Report Share Posted February 17, 2005 Wasp, I didn't know you were banned from RC as well. I suppose that's what happens when you don't understand what you read. Layton Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wasp Posted February 17, 2005 Report Share Posted February 17, 2005 Just wonder though why you think great water quality is irrelevant. Odd sort of a statement when zeovit is a water filtration sytem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lduncan Posted February 17, 2005 Report Share Posted February 17, 2005 Water quality is irrelevant to the topic we were discussing, thats why I stopped Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wasp Posted February 17, 2005 Report Share Posted February 17, 2005 Wasp, I didn't know you were banned from RC as well. I suppose that's what happens when you don't understand what you read. Layton Hmmm... Got to say I'm a little disapointed that I just tried to make piece, and all you want is a fight. Perhaps you could find some other venue such as boxing to vent your aggression, rather than wasting bandwidth here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wasp Posted February 17, 2005 Report Share Posted February 17, 2005 Actually, the fact is you were discussing it and asking me about it, then you found out my water quality is great, and you dropped the subject like a hot potato. Cheers, I'm late now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RnB Posted February 17, 2005 Report Share Posted February 17, 2005 I think both of you should just leave it alone for a 24hour period... I don't want to see either of you banned here for descending into personal insults etc, and it is pretty close right now....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJL Posted February 17, 2005 Report Share Posted February 17, 2005 But when you continues to misconstrue what I have said and twist it into some sort of "zeo bashing" statement then I am justified in saying these things. You constantly say I have said things that I have not. It's annoying. Layton, August 9, 2004: believe that the zeolite addes nothing to the system. The same could be acieved by similar sized live rock in a reansonable flow environment.. perhaps even work better. Layton, August 10, 2004: I doubt that the zeolite and zeobak contribute at all. Layton, today, February 16, 2004: Ok I admit I was wrong there. Layton, today, February 16, 2004: continually adding bacteria is pointless Layton, today, February 16, 2004: If indeed what you have said actually happens, you have to ask yourself, why bother with such and unstable method of reducing these nutrients? There are easier, cheaper, stable, and less time consuming methods. You know that the theory I posted is possible, yet refuse to admit that your comment that adding bacteria continually is pointless: the theory says there may be a reason, but you have nothing to back up your claim that it's not necessary. No one is twisting your words, Layton, these are direct quotes. The posts exist, if you'd like to examine the context. You don't seem to remember what you write. Anyway, JoeBlog asked: I have considered using Zeovit and just as Reef, I would like to see some before and after pictures. Joe, I have a couple, and I'll post one set here and see if I can scrounge up more if you're interested. Purple tipped acro, about a month prior to starting zeovit: About a month after: Obviously my photography improved , but you can clearly see the effect. That coral had been in my tank for many months prior to the first photo. Arthur Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeBlog Posted February 17, 2005 Report Share Posted February 17, 2005 Thanks Arthur. That's the sort of "evidence" that I am looking for!! If anyone else has timeline pictures that they would like to share, that would be great! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJL Posted February 17, 2005 Report Share Posted February 17, 2005 A couple more, same time frame. Before: After: Nobilis before: Nobilis after: Please forgive the photographer. Arthur Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HummingBird Posted February 17, 2005 Report Share Posted February 17, 2005 Nice pics AJ. Someone's just going to have to set up two tanks with parts of the same coral in it, dose one regularly and only dose the other once. See what happens in a few months, that'd really proove it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chimera Posted February 17, 2005 Report Share Posted February 17, 2005 Personally, I dont take these photo's as evidence that Zeoxxx works, simply because of what appears "new" lighting in the after shots. Im not disputing whether Zeoxxx works or not, just the fact that the before photo's are taken with what appears very poor lighting. Perhaps the new bulbs you've added increased coral growth and colour? Perhaps it is just that the photo's are bad? Still not convincing enough for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reef Posted February 17, 2005 Report Share Posted February 17, 2005 I beleive zeo does work, but what is the advantage to use it if you have close to zero po4 and nitrate, check out wayne shangs reef tank. I purchased the book, and oh my good, what a tank. http://www.underseadiscovery.net/home.htm Low nutrients= great acropora colours. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZEOvitANZ Posted February 17, 2005 Report Share Posted February 17, 2005 Have you seen his skimmer though. Its one of those tens of thousands of dollars job. Brendan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chimera Posted February 17, 2005 Report Share Posted February 17, 2005 ...and TWO x Korallin C10001 calcium reactors!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZEOvitANZ Posted February 17, 2005 Report Share Posted February 17, 2005 Alois, ask michael kramer about the difference in my coral colours, he was there to witness it and he is a honest bloke. As everyone says, cameras can be made to lie, so i think michael might be the person to speak too. He said, quote ( hope he dosn't mind)" that even your aptasia are turning blue " Bit of a laugh, but that sum's it up. Brendan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetskisteve Posted February 17, 2005 Author Report Share Posted February 17, 2005 Chim, be interesting to see if your brown acro's color up when you replace yr lights?? A no zeo## test. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chimera Posted February 17, 2005 Report Share Posted February 17, 2005 most definately jss, im getting new bulbs next week. i'll position the acro's in a final position shortly then take the same shot from the same angle every 5 days. will also do water tests at the same time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wasp Posted February 17, 2005 Report Share Posted February 17, 2005 Personally i think there is a lot more to those before and after pics than a change of light. Notice the algae in the before pics. Change of light didn't make that go away. Real good of you to share these with us, beautiful to see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wasp Posted February 17, 2005 Report Share Posted February 17, 2005 I beleive zeo does work, but what is the advantage to use it if you have close to zero po4 and nitrate, Thanks for that post Reef, agree 100%. Bottom line is, Zeovit is just one method, and there are others. There are certainly some awesome non zeovit tanks. I'm not married to the method, it's just the method I happen to be using, and I'm not going to bash any other method. End of the day the only thing that counts is results. Don't see the need for anyone to constantly bash zeovit either. I really wonder how someone can be so dedicated to bashing a product that can achieve such nice results. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJL Posted February 17, 2005 Report Share Posted February 17, 2005 Personally, I dont take these photo's as evidence that Zeoxxx works, simply because of what appears "new" lighting in the after shots. Nope, no change in lighting. Same 400W bulbs, PC actinics, etc. I did change the bulbs out a couple months ago (they were close to a year by then), but the two sets of pictures are under the exact same bulbs. As I mentioned, I had just started taking pictures when I took those first shots, so my ability (as limited as it still is) was better a few months later. However, regardless of the photography, anyone that can look at the before and after of the first coral and tell me there's not much difference in the coral - not the lighting, not the focus, but the coral itself - well, I think I'd disagree. And I know in person it's not even close. Btw, I tend to agree, pictures are tough to judge by, which is why I don't post them unless someone asks... Arthur Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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