ecar026 Posted December 13, 2009 Report Share Posted December 13, 2009 Hi, I have two juvenile red eareds that have developed what looks like white marks on their shells. The shells are not soft and I give them 'vitamin turtles' every week. I think I have the proper setup with UVB lamp, water filter, floating platform and the terrapins are taken out of the tank for an hour every other day. I've witnessed one of them scratching its shell vigorously on a large bit of drift wood in the tank - would this be enough to cause the whitening of the shells? Or is it something I should be worried about? thanks Emma Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JarrenB Posted December 13, 2009 Report Share Posted December 13, 2009 Welcome to the forum! Does it look like this? If so see my post viewtopic.php?f=40&t=42810 The turtle experts round here are "DonnaM" and "LivingArt", they will know what's wrong. I don't think that your set-up is to blame. However you didn't say you had a water heater, if you dont have one you need to get one and a plastic guard. Set it to 26/27'C . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ecar026 Posted December 13, 2009 Author Report Share Posted December 13, 2009 Thanks! I will compare it to mine when I get home. Yep, I have a water heater plus the guard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alanmin4304 Posted December 13, 2009 Report Share Posted December 13, 2009 I would defer to the nominated experts but would think you might be better to lower the temperature of the water, get a heat lamp over the basking area and make sure the tank is well ventilated to keep the humidity down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
livingart Posted December 13, 2009 Report Share Posted December 13, 2009 not an expert just seen a lot of turtles as alan said humidity in tank may be a problem if you have lids on it a pic would be good Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonnaM Posted December 14, 2009 Report Share Posted December 14, 2009 not an expert just seen a lot of turtles as alan said humidity in tank may be a problem if you have lids on it a pic would be good As above If the turts are healthy and over a year oldish... you can slowly drop temp to around 22. If a little older they dont really need a heater on these warm summer days. Just check the UVB can get thru directly onto the turts and there is no perspex on the light fitting as it will block out the UV. Also lights not sitting on glass or anything either. Adding an ordinary 40watt light bulb will make the basking area warmer and encourage them to stay there and dry off well. They have nerve endings in their shells like our teeth, so hes possibly just itching the irritated shell scutes under the log. Something they love to do. This pic may give you an idea of the lights over the basking area...(NB this was in winter and the tanks arent usually this populated. Also the stones have been removed as stones are a significant killer of turtles due to impaction :-? ) Would be good to see a pic of your set-up and turtles Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Insect Direct Posted December 14, 2009 Report Share Posted December 14, 2009 forget vitamin turtles, use calcium blocks if anything. cuttle fish bones also good for a bit of calcium..... basking lights as per Donna's pic. Can get a clip on desk lamp for around 10-25bux depending where you shop 60watt household bulb should be plenty. pic would be helpful p.s nice loking turtles Donna, a female reeves to by the looks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
repto Posted December 14, 2009 Report Share Posted December 14, 2009 I have a theory that excessive calcium can cause this in young turtles.All of the previous things mentioned as well can be a cause too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
livingart Posted December 14, 2009 Report Share Posted December 14, 2009 i agree on the excess calcium theory too repto i have seen lion cubs fed too much calcium that developed nodules/spurs in their joints Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ecar026 Posted December 14, 2009 Author Report Share Posted December 14, 2009 Wow thanks for all the help! Here's what our smaller turtle looks like; and here's the tank - sorry its not a clear pic - i don't have a camera, only phone camera the uvb light above the tank is sitting on glass - so sounds like i need to remove the glass? and maybe get some extra lights? There are big stones, fake plants (occassionally real ones too), gravel (too big to eat at the moment), part of a cuttlefish, drift wood and a fake log also in the tank. the terrapins bask a lot on the turtle dock but don't like doing so when people are in the room very much. i guess this is normal? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alanmin4304 Posted December 14, 2009 Report Share Posted December 14, 2009 The enclosed lid will be stopping the UV from getting to the turtles and preventing the moisture from escaping so they can't dry their shells. Replace with mesh, add a heat lamp and make sure the UV lights are less than a year old and not blocked by glass or plastic. Then, given time, they should be happy little reptiles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spoon Posted December 14, 2009 Report Share Posted December 14, 2009 it may help to tell the experts here a bit about their diet too , just to see if some improvements could be made to speed their recovery Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marklfeldman Posted December 15, 2009 Report Share Posted December 15, 2009 This is a disease I labled "white shell" a few years ago. Notice how it starts at the edge of the scute and progresses towards the middle. It occurs because the turtles do not dry out enough and the layers of keratin swell and then split along the edges and that allows bacteria (NOT fungi) to get in and start digesting the keratin. Eventually it will progress into the bones and kill the animal. To prevent the disease always have a heat lamp (60-75 watt bulb will do) over the sunning area so the turtle can dry out completely most days of the week. Do NOT cover your tank so the humidity is low. The best treatment is natural sun outside but be careful not to cook your turtle. if your turtles frighten easily and flee into the water keep them somewhere during sunning time that they cannot see you or put a visual barrier around their tank. I have found that the turtles will cure themselves in 1-2 years if fed well and given the opportunity to dry out. Mark Feldman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marklfeldman Posted December 15, 2009 Report Share Posted December 15, 2009 If you'd like more details on white shell I can email you a copy of the paper I've just completed on the disease. Just send a note to [email protected]. Mark Feldman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
livingart Posted December 15, 2009 Report Share Posted December 15, 2009 thanks mark i had always looked upon this as a bad shed caused by too high a humidity corrected as you have outlined it is good to put a name to it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Insect Direct Posted December 15, 2009 Report Share Posted December 15, 2009 it is amazing what a little bit of basking heat does for them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marklfeldman Posted December 16, 2009 Report Share Posted December 16, 2009 Alan-I tried to email you the requested papers but they bounced back. Do you have another email address? Mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
livingart Posted December 16, 2009 Report Share Posted December 16, 2009 you wrote another good paper on USD available here as well mark http://www.reptiles.org.nz/uploads/PDF/ ... isease.pdf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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