SamH Posted September 15, 2009 Report Share Posted September 15, 2009 Looking closely at my new red Delta fighter and noticed he had little white speck things on his anal fin. Looked even closer and saw they were all over his body. Pressuming Whitespot at this stage but none of the other's in the divided system even show signs of it. Fish are all acting normally, the other male even made a bubble nest in some floating Riccia. So I dosed some tonic (meth blue and malachite green) and added an airstone. Anything else I can do? Will this work? If so, how long until it's over? Thanks heaps! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twinkles Posted September 15, 2009 Report Share Posted September 15, 2009 if he's new, are you sure its whitespot not just his pattern? can you isolate him? it heals really fast, few days he should be looking back to normal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamH Posted September 15, 2009 Author Report Share Posted September 15, 2009 I can isolate him, but doesn't it live in the substrate? Can't go a gravel vac because I have peat under it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nycnlo Posted September 15, 2009 Report Share Posted September 15, 2009 treat the whole tank if hes been in there treat the lot to be safe the cycle lives for about 14days so id treat and keep repeating to kill it properly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twinkles Posted September 15, 2009 Report Share Posted September 15, 2009 is there a filter in there? Take the wool/carbon out if there is so it doesn't soak up the meds. When i've treated fish for it i've done daily water changes and added the med to the water change bucket to keep the right amount in, good clean water is the best fix for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nycnlo Posted September 15, 2009 Report Share Posted September 15, 2009 id prob leave the filter wool just remove any carbon etc as this will remove the meds from the water Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamH Posted September 15, 2009 Author Report Share Posted September 15, 2009 No filter, just an airstone. I was planning on doing a 9L mwater change every 3 days but it's onlyt day 3 now and I've had to dose meds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nymox Posted September 15, 2009 Report Share Posted September 15, 2009 isnt Ich or White spot usually stress related? These guys will sort you out and it sounds like you know what your up to, good luck with everything Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamH Posted September 15, 2009 Author Report Share Posted September 15, 2009 Yeah, I think it is stress associated. Kinda like the common cold, always present but arises in times of stress. Never had it before that I know of, just hope I'm doing the right things. I swear they weren't on him when I got him or even yesterday. I'm pretty sure that little irregular whitespots all over him are not his pattern. The instructions on Tonic say to dose 1 drop per litre, make a 25% water change on day 3 and add 1ml per 30 litres. On day 7, do another 25% change and add carbon. Should I follow the instructions? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twinkles Posted September 15, 2009 Report Share Posted September 15, 2009 yup, but don't bother adding carbon, just do water changes afterwards to get it out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamH Posted September 15, 2009 Author Report Share Posted September 15, 2009 Yeah, I don't have a decent source of carbon very close anyways. What are the effects of whitespot if left untreated? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nymox Posted September 15, 2009 Report Share Posted September 15, 2009 is it fungal? I think it might be, in which case left untreated wont be good, but Im not sure there. I think because its stress related there must be a very fine line between caring/treating and over doing it. Someone here will know exactly what it is. My understanding goes, like you say its something thats always there but wont effect a happy fish, it effects tiny tiny cuts or sores, or even in between the scales. I wonder if its also some how related to diet like pimples in humans. I still got so much to learn so the gurus will clear all my nonsence up in a giffy lol. I would tend to try do the same I would for any stressed animal, some where still and quiet, nothing to worry about except getting better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twinkles Posted September 15, 2009 Report Share Posted September 15, 2009 from what i know, yes its one of those things that is nearly always in your tank, and only takes hold when the fish are stressed. I think the most common cause of it is bad water quality/overstocking. There's lots of different treatments, like raising the temperature, salt, lots of water changes, different meds, but i've always just used wundercure and it goes in a few days. I've had a few batches of fish from shops come with it but its never been a major problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nycnlo Posted September 15, 2009 Report Share Posted September 15, 2009 white spot will kill i it gets out of control if left untreated the white spots (spores) will basically explode and become microscopic.. once this happens its very hard to control and will pretty much kill everything unless you shock dose the tank with white spot cure etc white spot can stay dormont in the tank but doesnt take much to trigger it.. generally white spot is associated to temperature fluctuations of more than 2degrees or constant change in temps.. id check your heater to be safe... could be associated with the new fish introduction from fish shop/ temp drop on way home etc? or the tank in shop being at 24.. and your home one being alot higher etc and not warming/equalizing the bag before releasing if you catch it early enuf ul be sweet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamH Posted September 15, 2009 Author Report Share Posted September 15, 2009 Tank temp at 25C, same as it was when there were no fish in it. Spent over 30 mins aintroducing fish, as I always do. Are the Whitespot's on the fish 3d? I can see them if I look down him, they're like little bumps Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamH Posted September 15, 2009 Author Report Share Posted September 15, 2009 Whitespot, yes? :-? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nycnlo Posted September 15, 2009 Report Share Posted September 15, 2009 white spot is basicallly a round spore... so yep 3d its temperature fluctuation more than anything say if tank gets colder overnight and warms up during the day etc (can happen alot more often now as temps are warming up ).. sudden ph change might also play a part. most fish shops water is around 7-7.4 i generally try and add small amount of your tank water in bag.. and float bag in water for half hour.. and add more water into bag then re float for another halfhour etc then id net the fish out of bag and disgard the water (incase fish shop had any thing in the water your minimising exposure ) sometimes il put them in quarantine tank for 10-14days before introducing into my aquarium... as 14days a good incubation period and usually shows signs by then if going to get anything Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nycnlo Posted September 15, 2009 Report Share Posted September 15, 2009 thats def early stages of white spot not the worst case ive seen but def would get out of hand if you dont treat.. it will coat him in days if not treated Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phoenix44 Posted September 15, 2009 Report Share Posted September 15, 2009 raise that temp to 28 or so. aerate water. white spot cure or what you are using and salt, and that should get rid of it... oh and time. best of luck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamH Posted September 15, 2009 Author Report Share Posted September 15, 2009 Water is being aerated, has been since I dosed. It's a bummer that he's in the tank with two other fish :evil: I floated them for five mins after taking out all but the water to cover them plus a few cms more. Added half a cup of water every five mins then let them swim out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twinkles Posted September 15, 2009 Report Share Posted September 15, 2009 he looks like a lovely boy, metallic? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamH Posted September 15, 2009 Author Report Share Posted September 15, 2009 You'll have to come and see him some time, once he's better. Yeah, I'm thinking metallic, certainly in the sunlight. This pic shows him off quite well too: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nymox Posted September 15, 2009 Report Share Posted September 15, 2009 Yeah nice boy alright, Metalic blue pwns its why I love my boy so much, plus hes the sweetest (great big bloody bogan softy I am) If you planning on breeding him you have to let me know, I havnt been going for tail type but that sweet metalic colour, the girl I got today has some kinda stripey thing going shes dark coloured but the shine off her scales is amazing and shes got a full tail not vt, and a hint of metalic blue in her tail too. Im thinking theres some smexy lil bubbas there. thats Coby sorry i posted him twice now lol, I cant help it im so proud of my lil man, considering he was swimming on his side on the surface when i picked him up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamH Posted September 15, 2009 Author Report Share Posted September 15, 2009 This is the second post of my guy on this forum too! Super proud of him, only $5 but he has a slight kink in the base of his tail. I'm going more for tail type but would be keen to get any spawn in. Once I moved the platies and BN's out of the 80litre and the fighters mature (if they get through this whitespot) I'll use it as a massive spawning and rearing tank. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nymox Posted September 15, 2009 Report Share Posted September 15, 2009 its uncanny huh, my nan looks in at me as if im nuts sitting there talking to a fish tank instead of watching tv lol. I made a video of coby today but decided not to upload to PBucket for the shame of ppl hearing me baby talk to my fish lmao Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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