snake kid Posted April 11, 2009 Report Share Posted April 11, 2009 I'm do not think this will take effect in new zealand but I thought I would tell you about the problem threatening reptile keepers in the united states. There is a law being proposed that will ban all non native exotic pets from being bred,traded,sold or imported . This law being proposed is called H.R.669 and will effect the whole exotic pet trade especially the reptile community : . In my opinion the bill will not be passed but if it would I would destroy thousands if not hundreds of thousands of jobs overnight. :evil: It would ruin businesss,and result in the economy being even worse than it is now. :evil: If it is by any chance passed and effects new zealand as well do not worry none of your reptiles will be taken away. taking exotic pets away is illegal unless the pet it's self is illegal,taking away legal exotic animals would break the grand father clause. so if you do have reptiles they will not be taken away but it will prevent you from breeding,selling,buying or trading your reptiles. so all in all there is a big problem but is highly unlikely that it will be passed, but we still need to spread the word and fast. fifteen congress members will meet to discuss the proposal on april 23,2009 If you would like to help prevent this go to this site to sign the online petition and make a donation. NOTE: if you would like to sign the petition and do your part for the worlds reptile community a mmnimum donation of 2 dollars US is required this is paid by credit card. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alanmin4304 Posted April 11, 2009 Report Share Posted April 11, 2009 I am not realy in favour of people taking a giant saltie or pet tiger for a walk through the streets of New York which I believe can be done at present. I might want to go there one day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
repto Posted April 11, 2009 Report Share Posted April 11, 2009 don`t be in too much of a hurry to send any money anywhere,particularly overseas?This reeks of scam to my sceptical mind???The reptile industry over there is just that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alanmin4304 Posted April 11, 2009 Report Share Posted April 11, 2009 $2 will not do much for the cause but your credit card details may do a lot for the person you give them to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joliet Posted April 11, 2009 Report Share Posted April 11, 2009 Google it first? "H.R. 669: 111th Congress Nonnative Wildlife Invasion Prevention Act To prevent the introduction and establishment of nonnative wildlife species that negatively impact the economy, environment, or other animal species' or human health, and for other purposes." This is kind of what New Zealand has already, no? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HaNs Posted April 11, 2009 Report Share Posted April 11, 2009 It sounds great Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alanmin4304 Posted April 11, 2009 Report Share Posted April 11, 2009 Before you know it they will ban guns Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David R Posted April 11, 2009 Report Share Posted April 11, 2009 Yeah, it really sounds great... :roll: http://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/forum ... p?t=230852 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HaNs Posted April 11, 2009 Report Share Posted April 11, 2009 Yeah, it really sounds great... :roll: I was being sarcastic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aquatopia Posted April 11, 2009 Report Share Posted April 11, 2009 I am not realy in favour of people taking a giant saltie or pet tiger for a walk through the streets of New York which I believe can be done at present. I might want to go there one day. Im not sure its quite that extreme Alan - Ive been to NYC several times and never seen any crocodiles on the sidewalk, other than wrapped around people's feet. It is legal to keep a whole array of exotics and dangerous animals over there though - and that disturbs some people. I dont agree with some of the animals which can be kept there by your average joe, but then the opposite extreme is equally undesirable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alanmin4304 Posted April 11, 2009 Report Share Posted April 11, 2009 The problem with people being able to keep virtually any animal as a pet means that there will be a lot of people keeping animals in completely unsuitable conditions. You get that anywhere in the world already but the more extreme the animals that can be kept the more likely many of the more exotic ones will be kept in unsatisfactory conditions. Unfortunately there are people everywhere who get bored with an animal and release it. I personally don't have a problem with NZ banning tree climbing, native bird eating reptiles for that reason and it may be that the USA has concluded that the freedom to keep any animal you wish can have its problems. So a few tiger breeders will be looking for new employment but they will be a lot fewer than people in many other more usefull jobs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aquatopia Posted April 11, 2009 Report Share Posted April 11, 2009 That side of it is indeed a problem Alan :-? I guess you get that with any animal though, including dogs and cats, fish, ... the list is probably a long one. But its a bit much when some beaurocrat gets a bee in his bonnet and makes the assumption that because some idiot might release a cayman alligator that all reptiles should be banned - and that is what this statute sounds like. Typical over-reaction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alanmin4304 Posted April 11, 2009 Report Share Posted April 11, 2009 I think the problem mainly lies with those whose sole interest is profit. They breed and sell exotic animals which needed very specialised care without any regard for how they will be kept. You see it here with a lot of things. Turtles are a good example ---a lot of pet shops are happy to sell all the wrong equipment and give the wrong advice for keeping them. I would hate to see them selling even more exotic animals requiring very special care. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David R Posted April 11, 2009 Report Share Posted April 11, 2009 I personally don't have a problem with NZ banning tree climbing, native bird eating reptiles for that reason I hope you don't own a cat....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aquatopia Posted April 11, 2009 Report Share Posted April 11, 2009 I hope you don't own a cat....... LOL - Actually it highlights something though - the biggest problem to our bird populations is (i believe) the possums - and yet there really is not very much being done to eradicate them (though with an estimated pop'n. of 70 million I'm told, where do you start?) - compared to what would be a hell of a fuss over, lets face it, the unlikely event of very expensive reptiles being released. We pay a lot of money for most lizards in this country - I cannot really believe there is likely to be people just releasing them into the wild. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alanmin4304 Posted April 11, 2009 Report Share Posted April 11, 2009 Ask DonnaM why so many of the turtles she looks after have names related to places in Christchurch like Avon and Shirly. I was talking to a couple of guys removing weed from the Avon river a few weeks back and they have found red ears and snake necks in the Avon river in the past. A snake neck can cost almost as much as a beardie or blue toungue. There are idiots out there and the laws are made to try and control the idiots not perfectly lovely people like you and me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
livingart Posted April 11, 2009 Report Share Posted April 11, 2009 LOL - Actually it highlights something though - the biggest problem to our bird populations is (i believe) the possums - and yet there really is not very much being done to eradicate them (though with an estimated pop'n. of 70 million I'm told, where do you start?) - compared to what would be a hell of a fuss over, lets face it, the unlikely event of very expensive reptiles being released. We pay a lot of money for most lizards in this country - I cannot really believe there is likely to be people just releasing them into the wild. i think felines and mustelids are just as big if not more so of a problem devastate ground birds more than the possums do laws have been passed to ensure any new animals introduced don't become as big a problem as the aforementioned the usa is a good case of what can happen with unfettered keeping of exotic and potentially dangerous animals Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
repto Posted April 12, 2009 Report Share Posted April 12, 2009 many a responsible and good reptile keeper has lost a snake neck??I have had a water dragon get out of an `escape proof` pen?Luckily it jumped into an escape proof yard after the escape proof pen?Accidents can and do happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aquatopia Posted April 12, 2009 Report Share Posted April 12, 2009 many a responsible and good reptile keeper has lost a snake neck??I have had a water dragon get out of an `escape proof` pen?Luckily it jumped into an escape proof yard after the escape proof pen?Accidents can and do happen. Yep, but they dont climb up the nearest tree and eat the birds eggs, lol. I appreciate accidents happen - what I am suggesting is that the incidence of deliberate release is nowhere near as significant a risk to wildlife as many other variables. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David R Posted April 13, 2009 Report Share Posted April 13, 2009 Ask DonnaM why so many of the turtles she looks after have names related to places in Christchurch like Avon and Shirly. I was talking to a couple of guys removing weed from the Avon river a few weeks back and they have found red ears and snake necks in the Avon river in the past. A snake neck can cost almost as much as a beardie or blue toungue. There are idiots out there and the laws are made to try and control the idiots not perfectly lovely people like you and me. Would a turtle survive an average Christchurch winter outdoors? Even if they did they wouldn't have a hope of breeding.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aquatopia Posted April 13, 2009 Report Share Posted April 13, 2009 Would a turtle survive an average Christchurch winter outdoors? Even if they did they wouldn't have a hope of breeding.... Exactly - and of course there are idiots out there but they are in a very small minority I imagine, and its not appropriate to take the extremity that R669 seems to be wanting to take, just because of a small minority, and penalise the vast majority. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alanmin4304 Posted April 13, 2009 Report Share Posted April 13, 2009 I don't think they would breed but they would survive if they were in good enough condition to hibernate. Might be different on the wrong side of the Bombays. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonnaM Posted April 13, 2009 Report Share Posted April 13, 2009 Yes turtles can survive our winter. Often I get a rescue turtle influx in early spring as they appear out of hibernation...sometimes with pneumonia, rotting/algae covered shells and nearly always Vit A deficiency.... They survive but certainly dont thrive....and I don't know that there are many places in NZ where they can breed in 'the wild?' My parents live on Cashmere hills and this season had a possum eating all the young shoots on various trees and all the fruit from apricot and plum trees...just one possum caused all sorts of havoc until caught in a 'humane' trap by a neighbour... :-? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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