wsun013 Posted November 22, 2008 Report Share Posted November 22, 2008 Hi, I have found 2 guppies in my tank have rotten mouth and semi-rotten white tummy. As shown in the picture.... They don't seem to have white spots on their body, but this only happened on mouth and tummy (the bottom part). Mouth Tummy 1 Tummy 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave+Amy Posted November 22, 2008 Report Share Posted November 22, 2008 Columnaris? (might have spelt it wrong - look up cotton mouth on google) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stella Posted November 22, 2008 Report Share Posted November 22, 2008 What they said. Use salt. 1 tsp per litre. Add in thirds over an hour. Waterchange out once symptoms are gone. also try a dip of about a tablespoon of salt in a litre of water. Dip the fish for 30 sec to a minute or so, depending on how the fish responds. Take it out if it rolls over. Leave the fish in the net, makes life easier, just dip the net in. Usually pretty hard to stop unless caught early. WATERCHANGE Figure out why they got sick. This is one of those ones that is always in the water and gets stuck in if the fish are under stress for whatever reason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wsun013 Posted November 22, 2008 Author Report Share Posted November 22, 2008 What they said. Use salt. 1 tsp per litre. Add in thirds over an hour. Waterchange out once symptoms are gone. also try a dip of about a tablespoon of salt in a litre of water. Dip the fish for 30 sec to a minute or so, depending on how the fish responds. Take it out if it rolls over. Leave the fish in the net, makes life easier, just dip the net in. Usually pretty hard to stop unless caught early. WATERCHANGE Figure out why they got sick. This is one of those ones that is always in the water and gets stuck in if the fish are under stress for whatever reason. Thanks Stella & Dave+Amy, For adding the salt, does that mean if I have a 300L tank, I will need to add 100 tsp (around 5ml) of salt ? For dipping the fish, how many times/often do I have to dip it ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stella Posted November 22, 2008 Report Share Posted November 22, 2008 300lt @ 1tsp salt per litre = 300tsp salt 1tsp salt = 6g 6g x 300 = 1,800g 1800g = 1.8kg.... Have fun dissolving! (I like to post the formulas as others can pick up if we get a little lost...) At least salt is cheap and easy Just dissolve the whole lot, and pour in about a third at a time. It isn't precise, just lets them a short chance to adjust. Dips: just sit the fish in the water for 30sec to a minute, do it up to twice or three times a day, depending on how the fish responds. If it seems to help do it more, if the fish seems to be healing ok, you don't need to repeat. (lol: rinse and repeat ) Remember it is pretty tough on the fish, but sometimes just what they need. There really aren't perfect formulas for what to do. Sadly it involves a lot of sick fish to get good at medicating.... Get on to it ASAP as this disease can mow through fish really fast. May only affect some, may affect all. Good luck! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wsun013 Posted November 22, 2008 Author Report Share Posted November 22, 2008 Thank you, Stella. Just another quesiton.....how many grams is a tablespoon ? (lol: i dont cook that well....) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stella Posted November 22, 2008 Report Share Posted November 22, 2008 hmmm, no idea. Check your edmonds cook book I tend to guess for the dips. Just chunk in two not-huge spoon-fulls to about a litre of water. Does that work better? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wsun013 Posted November 22, 2008 Author Report Share Posted November 22, 2008 For the tank, I have 2 clown loaches, not sure if they can bear the 1.8kg salt attack Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phoenix44 Posted November 22, 2008 Report Share Posted November 22, 2008 put 2 big hand fulls of salt in your tank.i got heaps of clowns. salt will not kill them. just chuck some in the tank. they will play with it if they are any thing like mine. :lol: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alanmin4304 Posted November 22, 2008 Report Share Posted November 22, 2008 columnaris is called mouth fungus but is actually a bacteria. If the salt doesn't work furan 2 will. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lmsmith Posted November 22, 2008 Report Share Posted November 22, 2008 I've got an attack of columnaris in my tank at the moment too. I salt dipped all the fish in the tank 5 times in 24hrs, then furan 2-ed. I caught it really early so with the salt and furan 2, they're all doing well. I'm an advocate of salt dips every so often anyway, don't know if it works, but they do seem healthier and don't seem to get worms and flukes or bacterial nasties. I skipped salt in 1 tank for a few months, and now they have columnaris- can anyone confirm if my salt prevention actually works? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stella Posted November 22, 2008 Report Share Posted November 22, 2008 People have different ideas on the medication-for-prevention idea. These are mine: Prevention only works if there is something to PREVENT. To me that sort of prevention is the ambulance at the bottom of the cliff, and good maintenance, stocking levels, feedings, habitat etc etc are lines of fences at the top. If you have all those fences in place then the ambulance is a waste of staff and resources, and usually by the time someone hits the rocks at the bottom of a cliff it is a bit late. If something goes wrong in my tanks it is a symptom that something else is not right, and I can correct it. If a disease is held at bay in the tank because it is constantly medicated, then you have no idea that the balance is all wrong in your tank and it is unhealthy. One of my tanks has never had a disease. Ever. A good regime of weekly 30-40% waterchanges, careful feeding, quarantine for any new stock, and careful observation means I also don't have problems with "worms and flukes or bacterial nasties" (does salt treat flukes and worms?) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alanmin4304 Posted November 22, 2008 Report Share Posted November 22, 2008 Stella is on to it. Don't treat with anything if you don't know what you are treating. There is a risk with all medications. If fish need salt (brackish) give it to them otherwise leave them alone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TM Posted November 23, 2008 Report Share Posted November 23, 2008 If it was me i would take the fish out and treat in another tank. Are there other fish in the tank with signs of this problem? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wsun013 Posted November 23, 2008 Author Report Share Posted November 23, 2008 They didn't make it after 2 dips within 10 hours. From what I observe, this doesn't happen often but I do have around 2-3 of them on weekly basis. I do think they are feed well (2 times a day) and I change water regularly (10% everyday) Maybe it is because they are over-populated.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave+Amy Posted November 23, 2008 Report Share Posted November 23, 2008 how many guppies have you got and what size tank? Cezarz on the forum has guppies under high densities but his never get diseased - when you introduce new fish do you quarantine them?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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