Guest Posted August 2, 2008 Report Share Posted August 2, 2008 Hi guys, I was just wondering, when BNs look after their eggs do they just fan them until they hatch or do they do something special to help them hatch. I thought it would be cool to have the eggs in a bbs hatcher like thing that you could see the eggs develope. Would that work? Do the eggs need to be turned in (which would happen in bbs like hatcher) or can they just be put in a container with a airstone? Has anyone tried to hatch BN eggs instead of letting the father look after them? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mumzy50 Posted August 2, 2008 Report Share Posted August 2, 2008 I have heard of people suggesting on here you can remove them and just use an air stone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
firefish Posted August 2, 2008 Report Share Posted August 2, 2008 I've put my gbas in a container with a airstone when they were eggs. It went well, but I would recommend that you let your male do the raising the first time (or he might learn to be a bad dad) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 2, 2008 Report Share Posted August 2, 2008 I've been thinking about trying it since that post about the bangaii cardinals being hatched by Zaita. I just need the stupid fish to breed :lol: :evil: . I've had them for a few months and so far nothings happened. Any idea how to get them more likely to breed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 2, 2008 Report Share Posted August 2, 2008 Just saw your post firefish I'll let the dad try the first few times but it would be cool to try it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peanuts Posted August 2, 2008 Report Share Posted August 2, 2008 I have successfully raised bristlenose and GBA eggs when they where disturbed and in one case the male bristle was fanning so hard he fanned the eggs out of his cave. the way I do it is place the eggs in a container inside a tank with an airstone to keep the water moving and a drop or two of meth blue to stop the eggs growing fungi. I have used this method several times now with most if not all the eggs hatching. But with each of my pairs they had bred before I raised some of their hatches. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mumzy50 Posted August 2, 2008 Report Share Posted August 2, 2008 Join the club ive been waiting for mine to do it.I even got a new male.I have done cold water changes.Still no luck.Some dont do anything and they drop like rabbits. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
firefish Posted August 2, 2008 Report Share Posted August 2, 2008 I took the eggs away on the 2nd spawn. He still looks after the eggs of all the following spawns (he's on a batch atm:) ) For breeding tips, do you feed courgette? it seemed to get mine to start. Does your female look like she's full of eggs? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 2, 2008 Report Share Posted August 2, 2008 Yeah I know I've got a big pair (their 9-10cms each) and they have a cave their well fed (probably over fed :lol: :roll: ), the females full of eggs but they still won't do it . I know someone who didn't know they had a pair and their only 5-6cms and they've bred 3 times over the last 2 months. I have heard that theres nothing you can do to get them to breed except give them lots of caves but I have tried a cooler water change and still noting :-? . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 2, 2008 Report Share Posted August 2, 2008 you keep posting when I do firefish :lol: . I feed courgette 2 slices (one for each of them 8) ) every 2nd day and she looks really full of eggs. Maybe I should add my other male (he's about 7-8cms) in the tank and see if he gets them breeding Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
firefish Posted August 2, 2008 Report Share Posted August 2, 2008 Do your caves have one opening? You could switch males? or put your female in the tank with the other male in. Do you feed other sinking tablets too? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mumzy50 Posted August 2, 2008 Report Share Posted August 2, 2008 Mines will feed to and full of eggs.He sits by his cave and waits and waits.She goes over but wont go in.I am now starting to think its her thats the problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 2, 2008 Report Share Posted August 2, 2008 I feed sinking tablets twice a day. there is one cave whichh is a pot turned upside down with a hole in it. He use to sit in the pot and even clean it out but now he's lost interest. I may move the 2 males the female and the pot to a bare bottom tank which has baby fighters in it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
firefish Posted August 2, 2008 Report Share Posted August 2, 2008 I know its frustrating, but maybe leave them alone for another month and see if they do breed, stability could be the key When you tried a cooler water change was it still warm or straight from the cold tap? (don't do a massive change straight for the cold tap tho :lol: ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkLB Posted August 2, 2008 Report Share Posted August 2, 2008 I've had to save a bunch of eggs because the male fanned too hard and kept pushing them out of the cave. I'd put them back in but he kept pushing them out again. That was his first spawn and he's learned to be less vigorous since then :lol: I simply put the eggs next to an airstone in a small tank. As far as getting them to breed......put a 'DO NOT DISTURB' sign on the tank and walk away. I think the less that the tank is disturbed the better. IME the pair need to be very settled. When I shifted my breeding BNs into another tank it took them 4 or 5 months to get back into the swing of things so be patient Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HummingBird Posted August 2, 2008 Report Share Posted August 2, 2008 Another thing to try is maybe another cave. The smaller the better. I just got a male BN and within two weeks he was breeding with my female in a cave just bigger than himself. They love to be able to juuust cram themselves in - this is something I've found when I've bred them before too, which I have with two other pairs. It's worth a shot, anyways. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mumzy50 Posted August 2, 2008 Report Share Posted August 2, 2008 Will ive tried every thing.I paid one hundred and twenty dollars for my pair then brought . another male thinking its him.If mine dont have eggs soon they will end up fish and chips.I know its not him.Hes got his cave sorted and hes a proven male.Cam as for taking the eggs away ours have to lay them first. :evil: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 2, 2008 Report Share Posted August 2, 2008 firefish: the water change was warm not straight from the cold tap as I heard this stresses the fish out to much. Ok I won't move them to another tank and add some more caves (just have to find something to use :roll: ). Does anyone know of anything thats easy to make and has got theirs to breed? Should I add the other male in with them? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
firefish Posted August 3, 2008 Report Share Posted August 3, 2008 When mine started breeding it was courgette (which your already doing) and a cold water change, just put one bucket of cold water in, but make sure not to pour it over any of the fish. it should be fine i've done it many times. In the wild they breed because of a seasonal temp change so by putting in some cold water it triggers them to breed like it would in the wild. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fish_fingers Posted August 3, 2008 Report Share Posted August 3, 2008 firefish: the water change was warm not straight from the cold tap as I heard this stresses the fish out to much. Ok I won't move them to another tank and add some more caves (just have to find something to use :roll: ). Does anyone know of anything thats easy to make and has got theirs to breed? Should I add the other male in with them? I have always been told that a simple water change triggers it off, where possible turn the heater down a tad. Have you tried feeding bloodworms or food high in protien? Got my male a female and in less than a week they bred... with in a month they bred 2-3 times....for my cave I used the base of broken flower pot....they have breed 5-6 times since I got her. Though becarefully if you have siamese fighters, they seem to like the babies... :oops: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 3, 2008 Report Share Posted August 3, 2008 I feed blood worms but I don't know if they get any because they're in a tank with baby platys, cories, and baby fighters and they all get to the food before the BN. I'm going to do a cold water change and see if that helps. His cave entrance was slightly blocked but I thought that he'd go in if he wanted but he didn't so I cleared the entrance and he went in straight away :roll: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkLB Posted August 3, 2008 Report Share Posted August 3, 2008 Hi Cam. I just remembered a trick I read somewhere about triggering spawning.... You do a cold water change but leave the water level lower than normal so the return water from the filter falls into the water and splashs. This simulates the rain. Then you feed them something live like BBS and maybe some frozen bloodworm. This stimulates insects being washed into the water by the rain and the fish think it's spawning season. HTH Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon1990 Posted August 3, 2008 Report Share Posted August 3, 2008 Hi Cam. I just remembered a trick I read somewhere about triggering spawning.... You do a cold water change but leave the water level lower than normal so the return water from the filter falls into the water and splashs. This simulates the rain. Then you feed them something live like BBS and maybe some frozen bloodworm. This stimulates insects being washed into the water by the rain and the fish think it's spawning season. HTH Use a water change with a slightly lower ph Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkLB Posted August 3, 2008 Report Share Posted August 3, 2008 Use a water change with a slightly lower ph Good call.....use rain water. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon1990 Posted August 3, 2008 Report Share Posted August 3, 2008 I might go and do a rainwater water change now :lol: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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